Can The Thrashawks Score Enough?
Right now it is very clear that the Thrashers lineup will be much more physical than in the past but the big question is can they score enough? I was worried about this as well so I created projections for every player.
Many people are just looking at the total points or goals scored by Ladd and Byfuglien and asking if they can REALLY replace the offense supplied by Kovalchuk, Kozlov, Afinogenov, Armstrong and Kubina. But you have to do a LOT more work to get a reasonable team projection.
The biggest adjustment is ice time. Last year Kovalchuk, Kozlov and Max played a ton of PP minutes. Those minutes have to be re-allocated to players like Evander Kane, Byfuglien and Ladd. So I did that for each player (see table below)
| Player | ES TOI | SH TOI | PP TOI | Total TOI |
| Nik Antropov | 13.50 | 0.05 | 3.50 | 17.05 |
| Niclas Bergfors | 13.50 | 0.05 | 3.50 | 17.05 |
| Rich Peverley | 13.00 | 2.50 | 3.00 | 18.50 |
| Evander Kane | 13.00 | 2.00 | 3.00 | 18.00 |
| Andrew Ladd | 12.50 | 1.00 | 0.60 | 14.10 |
| Bryan Little | 13.00 | 0.05 | 3.00 | 16.05 |
| Dustin Byfuglien | 13.50 | 0.05 | 3.50 | 17.05 |
| Clarke MacArthur | 12.50 | 1.00 | 0.50 | 14.00 |
| Jim Slater | 12.00 | 2.00 | 0.05 | 14.05 |
| Ben Eager | 08.00 | 0.00 | 0.05 | 08.05 |
| Todd White | 12.00 | 1.00 | 0.05 | 13.05 |
| Cormier/Pettersson | 09.00 | 1.50 | 0.05 | 10.55 |
| Chris Thorburn | 08.00 | 2.50 | 0.05 | 10.55 |
| Tobias Enstrom | 17.50 | 1.00 | 4.00 | 22.50 |
| Ron Hainsey | 17.50 | 3.50 | 4.00 | 25.00 |
| Zach Bogosian | 17.50 | 1.00 | 4.00 | 22.50 |
| Johnny Oduya | 17.50 | 3.50 | 1.00 | 22.00 |
| Brent Sopel | 16.10 | 2.50 | 1.00 | 19.60 |
| Arturs Kulda | 11.00 | 1.70 | 0.05 | 12.75 |
| Boris Valabik | 11.00 | 1.50 | 0.05 | 12.55 |
Next step is to plug in realistic scoring rates for those ES, PP and SH minutes. I used last year's numbers for each player with some modifications. Namely, Evander Kane received only 22 minutes on the power play all season and didn't score, so I substituted the Thrashawks average PP scoring rate for his projection (aka mean substitution). I used the team average rate for all SH scoring rates because I think SH goals are mostly about SH TOI and luck. Finally, I had the problem of projecting the last forward spot (Cormier or Pettersson in my opinion) and my solution was just to give them Marty Reasoner's (low) scoring rates as a reasonable guess.
Once you adjust the ES, PP and SH ice time and plug in each player's scoring rate from last season, you get the following point projections. (see table below)
| Player | GP | ES pts | SH pts | PP pts | Total Points |
| Nik Antropov | 76 | 43 | 0 | 21 | 63 |
| Niclas Bergfors | 76 | 43 | 0 | 6 | 49 |
| Rich Peverley | 76 | 31 | 2 | 14 | 46 |
| Evander Kane | 76 | 30 | 1 | 10 | 42 |
| Andrew Ladd | 76 | 37 | 1 | 1 | 38 |
| Bryan Little | 76 | 27 | 0 | 6 | 33 |
| Dustin Byfuglien | 76 | 20 | 0 | 11 | 32 |
| Clarke MacArthur | 76 | 25 | 1 | 1 | 27 |
| Jim Slater | 76 | 24 | 1 | 0 | 25 |
| Ben Eager | 76 | 22 | 0 | 0 | 22 |
| Todd White | 76 | 19 | 1 | 0 | 20 |
| Cormier/Pettersson | 72 | 13 | 1 | 0 | 14 |
| Chris Thorburn | 76 | 10 | 2 | 0 | 12 |
| Tobias Enstrom | 78 | 29 | 1 | 16 | 45 |
| Ron Hainsey | 78 | 19 | 2 | 16 | 37 |
| Zach Bogosian | 78 | 18 | 1 | 14 | 33 |
| Johnny Oduya | 78 | 24 | 2 | 3 | 30 |
| Brent Sopel | 78 | 8 | 2 | 3 | 12 |
| Arturs Kulda | 51 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 5 |
| Boris Valabik | 51 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 5 |
Like every projection this one will be wrong because the world has a stochastic element (unpredictable). Despite the randomness in the world all of us get up each morning and go to work--we make assumptions that our world will not end (i.e. plans). The key (in life as well as stats) is to make reasonable projections.
Now I think Kane could destroy that 46 point projection and I think Nik Antropov will probably slip some from last season. I think Byfuglien could easily crush his projection (32 points) as well, but the Cormier/Pettersson slot might miss their estimate.
On the one hand, you could argue the power play will be less effective without Kovalchuk (likely) but you could also argue that responsible defensive hockey will lead to more counter-attack rushes (puck possession=more scoring chances), so right now I'm willing to call it a wash.
What do these individual estimates project in terms of a team total? Historically there are 2.7 points awarded for each NHL goal, so right now I have this Thrashers roster scoring 592 points which translates into 219 Goals or a 2.67 Goals For Average (16th overall) which would be a modest decline from last season's 2.80 Goals For (ranked 11th). That is an 11 goal decline from last season, so to make the playoffs and be a middle of the pack NHL team the Thrashers would need to make big progress in reducing their GAA from 3.05 (250 Goals Against) down to 220, a reduction of 30 goals allowed. I think that Ondrej Pavelec could easily take another big step forward and an improved commitment to team defense would help both Pavelec and newcomer Chris Mason.
My personal hunch is that the offense will beat my projection and come in closer to 230 goals for which would mean a reduction in Goals Allowed by 20 puts the Thrashers on playoff bubble boundary line.
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I was talking about this issue earlier this morning on another blog. I think all the changes plus potential of the young players to contribute more makes up for other players we lost but not for Kovy, which smarts bad. We didn’t score enough last year and likely will regress. It’s ultimately going to take a big reduction in GA to make this a playoff team. Can Ramsay make that happen? Hopefully. I’m most concerned with the PK with the loss of Reasoner – and given the new look of the team, we can safely assume the Thrash will be doing some turns in the sin bin.
The PP is an interesting issue as well. It’s a place where Kovy put up lots of points. However, our overall PP strategy sucked when Kovy was on the point – cause that was the entire strategy. If the shooting opportunities can be spread more evenly around the 5 PPers, it might actually find itself more effective.
Ultimately, the PK has to be strengthened, overall team D must improve, and at some point in the next 2-3 years we are going to need a dynamic scorer (or two) to emerge on this roster (Burmistrov??). And while I know Atlanta Spirit is bent on the “win now” mandate, I personally look at this season as year 1 of a 3 year build up. Viewed in that light, we need to focus on developing the core, the team identity, and the fundamentals of sound systems this season, and not necessarily stress over having all the exact roster pieces in place come October.
*I personally look at this season as year 1 of a 3 year build up*
::deep sigh::
OK – let’s do it.
Great perspective. People rarely take the time to consider TOI and the kinds of minutes.
How do you feel about our PP and PK units so far? If we are targeting another forward, will we be looking for a PP or a PK guy?
by ThrashersRecaps on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
PK worries me greatly. When I did the ice time projections I had to give a lot of PK minutes to guys who are not used to playing o the PK at forward.
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by The Falconer on Jul 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw that Colin Stuart is an UFA now, making $0.5M last season :) But I dunno if we should waste a roster spot on him.
by ThrashersRecaps on Jul 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Hope you guys don't mind
I’ve now begun to follow the Thrashers as it seems to have become Chicago-South.
This has probably been hashed over by you guys already, but I think you guys have picked up some quality players from the Blackhawks, who I definitely think will have a noticeable impact.
Sopes is a great character guy who is a shot-blocking machine, so his durability is even more amazing. Not fast, nor does he have the great shot he did as a kid from the point. But he will provide a great locker room presence.
Eager has the tendancy to take the dumb penalty here and there, but he does have some offensive ability and has enough grit when things get a little rough-and-tumble out there.
Byfuglien can dominate a game when he decides he wants to, and that has sort of been the rub on him in Chicago. Yes, he really stepped it up in the playoffs – and that’s why we fans at SCH were always so frustrated with the guy. You can see the potential, but too often he seemed to just coast in games. Hopefully he will come into his own with you guys.
Ladd was probably the toughest guy to lose – great grit, and provides a ton of intangibles to the locker room. The guy played game six with a messed up shoulder for Pete’s sake. And he’s young enough that he still has a lot of room to improve.
Good luck guys.
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by The Fearless Freep on Jul 2, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
Sopel?
Welcome aboard Freep. I see that “Sopes” (great nickname) rarely scored last season, but years ago he put up some points with Vancouver, do you think he might score a bit more if given PP ice time in ATL?
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Sopel was more of an offensive threat in his days with the Canucks. From what I recall, he had a rather heavy shot and was used frequently on the PP. Obviously, with all the skill the Hawks had last year on the blueline, Sopel’s services were not often counted on when the Hawks had the advantage. That said, he was used from time to time, but the results were never noteworthy. His value has morphed into more of a stay-at-home kind of guys whose shot-blocking skills were INVALUABLE on the PK. With Sopes’ declining mobility, I would guess that his value on the PP would not be great – but then again, who knows? The guys has a huge heart and I’m sure that any opportunity to play on the PP might be incentive enough to improve his value in those instances.
Keep in mind too, that although Big Buff was played primarily as a winger, he has played defense in a pinch and performed adequately in that role. Buff has a really good shot, and but it often doesn’t show because he seems to be at his best when he’s creating traffic in front of the net. The question is whether he can really grow to like that role – he has a lot of speed for his size and it sometimes looks as though he’d prefer to play the role of a more traditional winger – and with that shot, I don’t blame him. But speed and mobility are two different things, and I think his mobility is sometimes questionable. Byfuglien also has a tendency to possess hands of stone. But overall, Buff’s versatility made him such a great asset – and therefore there are a lot of options available to him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he blossoms into a more complete hockey player being away from the shadow of Toews, Kane and Hossa. I really hope he does because he is an exciting player to watch.
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by The Fearless Freep on Jul 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
and sorry – reply fail here.
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by The Fearless Freep on Jul 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
There is not-a-small-part-of-me that wants Byfuglien to play with Antropov and Kane. If that were the case, Buff be able to be a bit more of a traditional winger, as Antropov would spend most of his time in the crease.
I’m almost certain that won’t be the line that Ramsay puts Byfuglien on… but a boy can dream, right?
I had it in my head how Buff would fit in with that line. Again, Buff has the speed to fit in but does he have hands and know-how to be the most effective guy on that line…I’m curious to see how he meshes with the new faces and talents of his new team. One has to believe that having some old teammates around has got to help, especially Ladder.
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by The Fearless Freep on Jul 2, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm actually more afraid about the defensive aspects of the team
Lost Kubina… but I wasn’t all that impressed by Pavs last season. It may be inexperience, or it just could be his skill level.
I think the results could have been better last season if the defense/goaltending was a bit… better, I think is the word I’m looking for. Hopefully, that aspect of the team is better. I think goal scoring wise… we should be alright. Hopefully, a few more additions will help that out.
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