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Trade Rumors, Bob McKenzie and Me

So yesterday I published a rumor to the effect that a deal to sent Kovalchuk to the Kings was very close. Long time readers of this blog will know that I almost never publish rumors and I rarely even comment on rumors made by other people. I put it up there because I had some reason to think that it might be true. I heard this from someone who was in a position to know or at least hear things--and so I choose to put it out there for public consumption.

I was more than a little disappointed to see Bob McKenzie right the following about the rumor on Twitter last night.

You know what I think of these rumors of the LAK on verge of getting Kovalchuk? Total BS. Some interest but fit isn't right at this point. Will spend more time on bogus reports than actual trades. It's the silly season. Amateur hour. Like New Year's Eve and St. Patrick's Day. :) Now, if Kovalchuk goes to LA everyone will say it was good scoop. Telling u, at this time, there's no merit. Take it for what it's worth.

The truth is that I generally admire Bob McKenzie's work as a journalist. He is the baseball equivalent of Peter Gammons--he has been around forever and knows all sorts of people in professional hockey. He also reports things in a calm rational way without the shouting and ridiculous hype that seems to infect so many other hockey commentators. I saw McKenzie in person at the NHL Draft this summer and listened to him talk to other journalists but never had the opportunity to speak to him one-on-one. Having laid out my Bob McKenzie appreciation let me now make a few observations.

It is true that I published this rumor in the hope of getting ahead of everyone else. Over the years I've known some delicious scoops about the Thrashers but was told things on the condition that I could not publicize them--which can be extremely frustrating. This particular rumor came with no strings attached and so I shared it. I suspect every aspiring journalist dreams of breaking a big story--probably even a young Bob McKenzie had such dreams. Every hard-working reporter wants to get the scoop--and I can't help but wonder whether it is more galling to be scooped by a blogger? Lots of people publish trade rumors that don't come true--do they all receive the "amateur hour" dig?

If you read McKenzie's statement very carefully he doesn't say "I can confirm that the rumor is BS" or "people close to LA say it is BS." Instead he wrote  "You know what I think of these rumors. Total BS"--which is something less than ironclad. Many people have assumed that McKenzie contacted the Thrashers or Kings to disprove the rumor, but that is not his claim. His retort appears to be based on his opinion: "Some interest but fit isn't right at this point". Now perhaps I'm parsing this too closely and McKenzie really did talk to someone with the Kings or Thrashers but a literal reading of his comment does not indicate such is the case. At this point I'm not throwing in the towel on this particular rumor just yet, we will have to just wait and see what happens next.

My third observation is that if you pay close attention, the vast majority of the NHL media lacks good sources within the Atlanta Thrashers organization. Think back for a moment and see if you can remember who has written actual news stories about the Thrashers (as opposed to speculation or opinion pieces about the Thrashers). I have been following this team since day one of the franchise history and the truth of the matter is that most of the NHL simply ignores the Atlanta Thrashers and they have not bothered to cultivate the team or sources with the team. There are a handful of journalists who appear to have know their Thrashers news: 1) Kevin Allen of USA Today 2) Craig Custance of Sporting News (and former beat writer for the Thrashers) and 3) Scott Burnside who relocated to Atlanta several years ago. In my opinion that's the entire list of people with good dirt on the Thrashers organization and it is a very short list indeed.

Even in this city Thrashers reporting is often remarkably thin. The last three seasons the AJC has had a new beat writer and each has had to climb the learning curve during the season. I struggle to think of a single significant story broken by resident "hockey expert" John Kincaide of 680 The Fan. His latest reporting that "Kovalchuk is 100%" gone was known by myself and a few long-time Thrasher fans a full 10 days before he "announced" the news on his show. I shared the same news with numerous people riding on the bus up to Nashville on Saturday. There is more stuff he didn't even reveal on his show about another pending UFA who is likely on his way out of Atlanta, I'm guessing he didn't reveal it because he doesn't know about it.

My fourth observation is that if the Atlanta Thrashers issue a statement tomorrow denying that a deal with the LA Kings is pending, everyone should take it with a HUGE grain of salt. Let's take a walk down memory late to the summer of 2008. The Thrashers had brought John Anderson into town to interview for the head coaching position. The new beat reporter Mike Knobler published a story saying the Thrashers had hired John Anderson as their new head coach. Then later that same evening he reported on AJC.com that the team had contacted him and denied that they had hired Anderson. Guess what happened the next day? The team announced that they had hired John Anderson. (It seemed to me like a poor way to treat Knobler, but he doesn't appear to hold a grudge.)

The Thrashers have an organizational interest in controlling this story and how the news is presented to fans. Don Waddell is not obligated to keep fans abrest of every development. His obligation is to get the best possible deal for his franchise. If getting the best possible deal involves issuing "contradictory" or even misleading statements that is the way the game is played. Case in point the Calgary Flames swore that they were not trading Dion Phaneuf--only to turn around and trade Phaneuf to Toronto. Heck, maybe this rumor was intentionally planted by Don Waddell to try and scare a rival team into upping their bid for Kovalchuk. The NHL is a cut throat hyper-competitive business every GM is seeking to beat the other GM--so you never know.

One last observation is that trading away the face of the franchise is going to result in a major PR hit to the franchise--the team probably cares more about how this particular story is released to fans than anything since the Dan Snyder/Dany Heatley story. Looking back on the Heatley-for-Hossa trade can be instructive. For example the Thrashers took careful steps taken to cushion the blow to fans including the PR department drafting a "Farewell Atlanta" statement from Heatley (it certainly wasn't a priority for Dany). Professional hockey is a form of the entertainment business. The trade of Ilya Kovalchuk is a pivot point for the franchise and they will need something else to sell fans once Kovalchuk has departed, keep this in mind when you watch the news conference announcing the trade.

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I knew it

Colby is going back to the Pens.Nuts.

Bob McKenzie comes off as a huge ass here, you got some privileged info and I for one thank you for sharing. You delivered the story by acknowledging the chattering you’ve heard, which separates you from the amateurs out there that publish a rumor because they think it’s the best fit. If anyone Bob McKenzie is pretty irresponsible to shout away things he believes are rumors if he isn’t talking to one of the parties involved. He’s having his amateur hour moment, and frankly, calling anybody amateurs via twitter is just sad sad irony.

by Cracker! on Feb 3, 2010 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

Kovy Gone

Nice piece. I think it’s a almost given that Kovalchuk is going to be traded at this point and the Kings match up well with the Thrashers needs here. And all indications are that the trade will happen sooner rather than later.

One thing though, it was Mike Knobler who had just taken over the AJC beatwriter’s job when Anderson was hired, not Vivlamore. It’s hard to keep track with as many writers as the paper has had for the Thrashers.

by Phil F on Feb 3, 2010 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

you’re right, I’ll correct that.

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by The Falconer on Feb 3, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Question for The Falconer

I’m curious. Suppose that Kovy is NOT traded to the Kings after all. What exactly are you going to think of your sources then? I’m really hoping you’ve got something better than “Well, I’m sure they wouldn’t have told me if they didn’t think it was legit”.

I’m not sure of the exact time frame with Phaneuf, but Brian Burke had discussions with Calgary prior to New Year’s and Calgary said “No trade”. Things can change when you lose about 13 or so in a row and your brother, the coach, views your “franchise defenseman” as a huge distraction and negative during the midst of a potentially season deciding losing streak. So I don’t think there was any intentional dishonesty going on. Sutter simply changed his mind.

I’m not asking you to divulge your sources at all, but I’m just going to say that a lot of fans think that they have sources. The guy who used to be my ticket rep told me all kinds of stuff about the Atlanta Hawks and Marian Hossa at various times and I don’t believe anything he told me was accurate. Yet he swore that it was all true and that he was in a position to know.

by Zontar on Feb 3, 2010 8:42 AM EST reply actions  

Well if the trade doesn’t happen, then my source was clearly inaccurate. There is always that risk. But in the grand scheme of things we know that: 1) Kovalchuk stuff is being removed from Philips Arena and the team website and 2) I’ve heard lots of stuff that suggest he is gone and 3) LA Kings are a logical destination. As rumors go, it struck me was VERY plausible and the person in question was in a position to know things the rest of us don’t.

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by The Falconer on Feb 3, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually know one of Falconers sources and if this is the same person, it’s a pretty solid source.

I also heard Elliot last night make a snarky comment about Kovy. That kinda solidified it for me. Elliot is the original Blueland line-toer and for him to speak out against a player is highly unusual.

by Pogue Mahon on Feb 3, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Screw Bob...

Who cares what Bob McKenzie says, as far as rumors go in the internet hockey world, this blog is not one to make wild speculations. In my opinion, this is the best place to get information about the Thrashers. You are not the only person reporting something like this right now. Granted, he could end up being traded to freaking St. Louis now for all the hell I know but rumors are called rumors because that’s what they are. Don’t let it shake you…keep up the good work.

by Thomas Magnum on Feb 3, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

What I wish I’d said to Bob via Twitter is this:

Kovy to LA might NOT be a good fit. But since when has Waddell done anything that ended up being the best thing for the Thrashers? His track record is terrible. Just because it doesn’t seem like the right “fit” doesn’t mean Waddell won’t put all his Kovy eggs in one basket and make the trade anyway.

Yes, I realize that’s more than 140 characters :)

Point being, long-time Thrashers fans know we can’t count on Waddell to make a good trade. So why is that really a consideration? Waddell will get whatever he can, and the end result will likely suck for the Thrashers.

Keep up the good work, Falconer. We appreciate that you care about the Thrashers and try to cultivate relationships with the organization.

by CuckooForKovalchuk on Feb 3, 2010 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

Why do you assume that the “fit” portion of Bob’s tweet has anything to do with the Thrashers? From what I’ve read, everyone who’s commented on Kovy to LA has suggested that it’s Kovy that’s not a good fit for LA as that team believes that players should hustle and play defense.

The only thing that will “suck” for the Thrashers is if Kovy is resigned. This franchise needs to be rid of him and work on fielding a competitive team of hard working players. Kovy has let his game deterioriate to where it was a few years back and he’s not worth the money he’s asking.

by SilverRubicon on Feb 3, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Because I’m a Thrashers fan and could not care less what is or is not a good fit for the Kings.

by CuckooForKovalchuk on Feb 3, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I’d suggest you objectively read blogs and tweets and try to eliminate your Thrasher bias from the context of what you’ve read.

by SilverRubicon on Feb 3, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t claim to be unbiased. My screen name is CukooForKovalchuk. I am a completely biased Thrashers fan and don’t purport to be anything else.

by CuckooForKovalchuk on Feb 3, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

ESPN

ESPN Insider is now showing Kovy to the Kings as a possibility and listing “From the Rink” as their source. They also include Bob McKenzie’s statement that it is “BS.”

Falconer, good work on getting us this news. We appreciate you sharing it, and more than that openly saying that you’re not 100% sure of it’s validity. We know to take everything with a grain of salt, and it is at least exciting to hear something new, albeit only a rumor at this point. Good work and keep us posted!

by Ferkahn on Feb 3, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Well, nevermind that Falconer had it up here over 20 minutes before From the Rink… Nice to see SB Nation blogs getting some credit on ESPN. ;-)

by timmyf on Feb 3, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you, I’m just sorry Falconer didn’t get the credit….just saying what ESPN lists as their source….

by Ferkahn on Feb 3, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed .. this was his story and we were just trying to get it up on FTR. When it was posted I didn’t know it was already up here at BWA, otherwise I would’ve linked to it.

by Cory Lavalette on Feb 3, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, just a quick comment...

ESPN put this information behind the Insider wall?

Thanks, ESPN, for making us pay for information that is free over here at SB Nation.

by timmyf on Feb 3, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

No reason to feel bad about posting something you clearly represented as a rumor. It really does not matter who takes shots at it and your points about McKenzie’s comments are valid. Since local media does such a poor job of giving Thrashers fans information we are fortunate to have someone who not only writes about the Thrash but rarley puts out rumor. When we see one posted here it has greater wieght.

by Thrashfan01 on Feb 3, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

And now Bob McKenzie a few minutes ago tweets that Waddell has met with Kovy today and told him to expect a trade in the coming days. I guess those rumors aren’t such BS after all, eh Bob??

by GreggW on Feb 3, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

Well, to be fair, Bob never said Kovy wasn’t being traded. He said the deal with the Kings wasn’t close.

by timmyf on Feb 3, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh

He said it wasn’t close with LA and yet the next day he was saying that it was indeed close and that LA were the front-runners.

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by PPP on Feb 4, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

McKenzie on Twitter
RDS reports that Don Waddell met Ilya Kovalchuk today and told him to expect a trade in the coming days. Now it’s on.

by Cory Lavalette on Feb 3, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

Great journalism. Crossing my fingers that Kovy stays with the Thrashers, even if it means Mr. McKenzie will call you dumb.

"My face is my mask."

by Jake Shapiro on Feb 3, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

My fav TSNBobMcKenzie tweet of the day:

Reading comprehension: Last night’s report, which I said was bogus, was that deal was imminent with Kings. It is not imminent with Kings.

Custance ruled out the Blackhawks (who were on Bob’s list just ahead of LA).

by godsendjen on Feb 3, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Wow,

Bob McKenzie is a ginormous dick.

His terminology was “on the verge” being BS. Maybe he could take his own advice.

by Cracker! on Feb 3, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hehehe, that ‘reading comprehension’ tweet was a reply to me. I had said to him: Oh, NOW it’s on? It was ON last night, whether you like the source or not."

Heeheee, I like poking the bear with a stick. :)

by CuckooForKovalchuk on Feb 4, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Falconer, you are by far one of the best out there. I don’t think I’ve ever even watched an entire Thrashers game, but I read BWA semi-regularly because I very much enjoy your work. Keep it up, and don’t let Bob get you down.

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by IAmJoe on Feb 3, 2010 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

There is nothing silly about St. Patrick's Day

I take drinking green beer and frolicking with drunken dwarves extremely seriously. Bob knows no end to his offensive language.

by dennylambert!! on Feb 4, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Soooooo….its been well over 24 hours since this was published and IK is not a king. Its Looking like McKenzie was right.

by andrew80 on Feb 4, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Not at all

It was never said that it was within 24 hours. It said they were ‘close’.

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by PPP on Feb 4, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Look, I hate to agree with Talentless Hack...

…but rumors rarely are specific enough to be “wrong” or “right.” If you say somebody is “close” to a deal, it doesn’t mean that deal will get done. There’s a variety of things that could happen.

Really, in the absence of Waddell or Lombardi coming out and saying, “We were never close,” we’ll never know.

by timmyf on Feb 4, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Semantics

You can play semantics all you want. But when someone says that a deal is very close, the logical interpretation is that it is going to happen and relatively soon. If I tell you that supper is very close, would you expect it to happen 48 hours later (or not at all)?.

That fact that IK was traded over two days later to an entirely different team suggests that Mckenzie was bang on. There was nothing (or relatively little) behind this rumor.

by andrew80 on Feb 4, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

>> If I tell you that supper is very close, would you expect it to happen 48 hours later (or not at all)?.

Not really analogous. The proper statement would have been “What if I tell you that I have a source who says that supper is very close”.

by SilverRubicon on Feb 5, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

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