In Defense of John Anderson: Follow-up
A quick update on my post a couple days ago about John Anderson. I had promised a response to this on Twitter. So here goes... (and sorry to Falconer for stepping on his post. Make sure you scroll down and check out his take on Anderson!)
Thrashers Web Guy Ben Wright responded to me and raised a really good question (which I probably should have foreseen):
Your analysis begs the question- why were White and Kozlov so successful last season under Anderson but not this season?
Okay, let's tackle that one. After the jump.
First, let's look at how these guys (and I'll toss in Little as well) got goals between the two seasons:
Note that the goals for all three guys for this year are 82-game projections (even though none of them will hit 82 games). This makes it much easier to compare season to season. At even-strength, it's really only Bryan Little that has seen a big drop in production. His 19 ES goals in 2008-2009 were pretty solid, but he's on track for just 10 this season. That's a big 9 goal drop. Kozlov, on the other hand, is seeing just a 6 goal drop and White just 3.
On the other hand, all three of these guys picked up 12 goals on the power play last year. This season, the guys project out to 5 (Kozlov) 4 (Little) and 2 (White). That's a huge drop in production. If we were to graph the year-over-year changes (again, using our 82-game projection), we get this:
Now, if we were to take this same graph, but rather than just show an absolute number of goals, we looked at the scoring rate per 60 minutes in each situation, we get a slightly different picture.
Each of these guys should have two bars that pop way up. The PP scoring rates should be significantly higher than the even-strength rates. That's just not the case. Little scored more last year at even-strength per 60 minutes than he's scored this year on the power play. Same thing for Todd White. Slava Kozlov at least fits the proper mode, but we see the same thing: a huge drop in effectiveness on the power play.
The important question becomes: is this something related to John Anderson or something related to these players? This is a hard question to answer. First of all, let's be clear: these guys are have never been strong players at even-strength: all three were minus players at 5-on-5 last year and all three are minus players at 5-on-5 this year. (Little being the best of the three and Kozlov being the worst per unit ice time.) This is where we get back to my argument: White and Kozlov simply don't seem to be a good fit for this system. Bryan Little has performed better while spending a lot of time on the ice with these guys... and he gets a pass for being young. (Byron Young.) I'd like to see what his stats look like after several weeks away from either of these guys.
My sense of it is (and this isn't something I can prove with stats) that Bryan Little will rebound over the next couple seasons. I'm not sure if he'll be a regular 30-goal scorer, but I think he'll hit 20-25 with some regularity. Slava Kozlov has approached the end of a long and successful career, but he just doesn't fit our mold. Todd White had a few great years with the Ottawa Senators, but his 73 points last season were an anomaly. He played on a very, very successful power play unit and racked up the assists. That's not a knock against him as a player - he earned those assists - but having expectations higher than 50-60 points is just setting Todd up to fail. What concerns me with White is that, after going +48 in 230 games with the Senators and +7 in 138 games with the Minnesota Wild, he's been -38 in 210 games with the Thrashers. It's hard to compare these numbers directly against each other, as the three are all different teams, but I see a steady downward drop with a peak in his 2002-2003 25-goal season.
There you have it: why did these guys see such a performance drop? Well, they scored a whole ton of power play goals last season, and that led each of them to seem much stronger. At even-strength, these three guys haven't been particularly strong, and as the power play tallies have fallen, so has their stock with Thrashers fans.
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at ES and PP from this year to last would be interesting to look at. With the additions of Antro and Max this off-season, I think all 3 of those players saw a reduction in PP TOI. The more they play on the PP, the more I would expect them to get into rhythm and achieve more success.
Little doesn't fit the conclusion
Litttle’s 19 ES goals last season was very impressive. A -9 ES goal change is a pretty substantial number and is a bigger decrease than his pp production from last season to this one. thus, little has drastically worsened in both ES AND PP, which is of greater concern, because he hasn’t been able to produce in any situation or any line this year. however, i think your 82 game projection for little might be an underestimation for Little, because he’s been playing much better as of late. I think he’s slowly coming out of this slump.
I agree with you. Little should finish with more goals than I project here. He also hasn’t seen a drop in scoring simply because of less power play tallies… But I do think he’s hit a bit of a sophomore slump.
That said, I’m in no rush to get rid of him. Unlike White and Kozlov.
by timmyf on Feb 17, 2010 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
based on his play lately, I think this slump may have been a thing of the past. it really seems that losing kovy has energized certain players and Little appears to be one of them. I wouldnt advocate getting rid of little at all. I think at worst he’ll be a 2nd liner with pp time as he continues to mature.
i cant think of any reason to keep kozy and white except for no-trade clauses. i guess the only defense one could make for kozy is his shootout skills. todd white’s got nothing.
by dennylambert!! on Feb 17, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
If we wanted a shootout specialist, we could have kept Crusher. Or picked up Jussi Jokinen from waivers. (Which I was in favor of doing… and isn’t he over 20 goals this year?)
Kozy has a NTC, but I expect he’s done after this season. I’d trade White if we can… but I’m not sure we can. I was in favor of trading him this offseason after his career season. I didn’t expect he’d fall this far, though…
by timmyf on Feb 17, 2010 10:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If there is any word that could be used to describe Todd White’s career, that word would be “inconsistent”. I would not under any circumstances re-sign him if I was GM. White got top 6 minutes his 2 seasons in Minnesota on low scoring teams and I think it very effectively masked the point that he just is a very limited offensive player.
Little’s drop in production greatly bothers me. I am quite a bit concerned that it may mean that his 08-09 season was a gigantic fluke and this is the real Little. I hope I’m wrong because it’s going to be very bad for the Thrashers if I’m right and he ends up being another wasted 1st round pick.
I agree with the conclusion that Kozlov and White are poor fits for Anderson’s system, although I still believe very strongly that Kozlov could be a lot more help on the PP than White is.
Well said.
But I think our PP forwards should be Antro Little Pevs MadMax Bergy and Kane. Neither White nor Kozlov. I’d take Army out there too, but he’s more borderline…
by timmyf on Feb 17, 2010 10:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For what it’s worth, I totally agree. At this point Kane is not a shell shocked rookie and there’s no good reason for keeping him off the PP. Increasing the success of the PP is a critical item if this team is going to be serious about getting into the playoffs.
Are we in agreement about something?
YE GODS!
by timmyf on Feb 18, 2010 9:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL! As much as I like Kozlov, I have to admit that realistically he hasn’t earned a job in the lineup, so you have won me over with your arguments against him. And you’re right about the PP. Your proposal sounds pretty good.
I was also a stalwart Kozlov defender for a long time. And let’s be honest, he makes it easy to give excuses. He’s a really great guy, he’s been a fabulous hockey player, and he’s played injured on-and-off for awhile. It’s easy to give him a pass.
At some point, though, he’s got to perform or move along.
“Why were White and Kozlov so successful last season under Anderson but not this season?”
This season White and Kozlov have been given minutes against the toughest opponents, as compared to last season where they were the middle of the pack in quality of competition. White and Kozlov have also have seen a drop in quality of teammates this season because they used to play on the first and second lines, respectively, in 08-09, but this season they’ve been mixed around and played on the 3rd and 4th lines some.
Graphs of some of this data (first half of season):
http://thrashersrecaps.blogspot.com/2010/01/first-half-stats.html
by ThrashersRecaps on Feb 18, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions
That’s an interesting way to look at it. I’d like to see the home/road splits on this data. Another thing to keep in mind is that the top 4 guys in Quality of Competition are all defensemen – this is a pretty good sign that Anderson matches up his defensemen against forwards (giving Hainsey, Kubina, Bogosian, and Oduya the harder matchups), not forwards. The forwards have a much smaller/tighter distribution of QoC (0.045 to -0.057 for forwards versus 0.094 to -0.122 for defensemen.)
but that wouldnt explain their poor performance on the pp. as the analysis shows, for kozy and white the big decrease in production has come on the pp. i dont think time against the toughest opponent is a factor in odd man situations. also, playing on different lines wouldnt matter either, because of the main drop being in the pp. they just have done nothing with the man advantage, which is why im surprised theyre still on those lines.
by dennylambert!! on Feb 18, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well, to be fair, QoC could explain the drop at ES. It’s not as dramatic as the PP drop, but still very real.
by timmyf on Feb 18, 2010 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please stop using Excel default colors
It’s about as bad as Norway curling team’s pants :)

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