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Thrashers Attendance

EDITORS NOTE: This FanPost by Mr. Overmars does a great job of testing many assumptions people have about what affects the Thrashers attendance with a look at the actual data. So I moved this to the main page so that more people would have a chance to read it.

 

Much has been made about Thrashers attendance from both in and outside of the fan base.  I’ve long thought of Atlanta as an event town.  Meaning that you have to make something special in order for the town folk to give you any attention.  For the Thrashers I believe consistent winning constitutes an event. The one thing that makes the Thrashers appointment viewing.  Since we've yet to become must-see in our own town I’ve decided to take a deeper dive in to the numbers focusing on the seasons following the lock out of 2004-05 and give some special consideration to some popular myths. 

 

Since said lockout there have been 182 games played in Philips Arena including the 18 matches contested this season to date.

Looking at the big picture. 

 

The Thrashers have averaged 15,373 attendees over these 182 games which comes to 83% of capacity (18,545).  Over this same span the other 29 teams have combined to average 17,230 (94%).  The Thrashers rank 29th, in average capacity (13,745; 74.1%) this season after averaging 23rd in the league the previous 4 seasons.  Thanks Coyotes

 The trend?

2009-10:   13,745  (74.1%)

2008-09:   14.626  (78.9%)  76 points

2007-08:   15,831  (85.4%)  76 points

2006-07:   16,240  (87.6%)  97 points  * Made Post Season

2005:06:   15,550  (83.8%)  90 points

The bloom is most certainly off the rose as we’ve seen Thrashers attendance settle to near worst in the league despite a team that had been successful on the ice through the first third of the 2009-10 season.  In fairness, it appears as if the city has responded when the club has won.  In 2006-07 the club played to 93% capacity over the last quarter of the season averaging 17,328 fans per game (5 reported sell outs in 11 games).  Unfortunately this is really not a significant sample size to know if the fans will be there consistently if the team ices a winning product.

 

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Myth:  Atlanta fans wait for football season to end before focusing on the hockey season.  Because of travel in the southeast for football there is less time/disposable income for hockey games.  What does the data say?

Average Attendance by month

2005-09       09-10 to date

 

October:           14,932             14,894

November:       14,931             13,098

December:        15,970             13,994

January:            14,958             tbd

February:          16,361             tbd

March:             15,563             tbd

April:                17,287             tbd

While the numbers seem to support this theory with the average attendance spiking nicely in February and April I remain skeptical.  Since February (circus) and April (season end) are typically thin for home games and my skew the data I thought it would be interesting to take a deeper dive to see if there is a correlation on days of the week during the football season.

Myth:  Fridays in the south is for high school football.  Families will not be available to attend games as they’ll be at school functions.

The data:

Friday night average attendance from 2005-2010:  16,667 (90%).

 

October:     16,339

November:  16,634

December:  16,273

January:     16,355

February:    17,067

March:        17,602

April:            n/a

 

Average attendance on Fridays

With high school football in season:  16,511

While high school football is out:            16,755

Myth: Busted.  The numbers in December and January, when high schools are typically finished with their regular seasons, remain consistent with the in season numbers.  There is no direct data to show that Friday Night football is the reason for keeping the people out of the seats We clearly show an uptick on Fridays later in the season but it cannot be attributed to the end of the high school football slate.

Myth:  The south is college football crazy.  Scheduling games on Saturdays is murder as the locals are focused on the Bulldogs and Jackets.

Lets move over to Saturdays shall we?

Average Saturday night attendance 2005-10:  17,178  (93% capacity)

October:      16,190

November:  16,466

December:  16,456

January:      18,625

February:    18,545

March:        18,070

April:           18,103

 

Myth:  Confirmed.  The numbers during the football season on Saturday are drastically lower than post bowl season.  Interesting to note that Saturdays in January and February have averaged a sell out over the past 5 years.  Going next level I was actually surprised to learn that the biggest inhibitor to Thrashers attendance was not the UGA Bulldogs but rather the Jackets of Tech.  The numbers:

Thrasher attendance when UGA plays that same day:  16,484

Thrasher attendance when GT plays the same day:  15,990

 

Since there is some cross over on the weekend they play each other I thought I’d look at those weekends when ONLY Tech or UGA plays:

UGA only:  17,619 average attendance

GT only:  14,945 average attendance

As a control figure I also took a look at those Saturdays where neither Tech nor UGA played during the football season:  16,356.

In the interest of full disclosure Georgia has played on opening night twice and Tech only once.  Opening nights are typically sell outs so that inflated the Bulldog numbers quite a bit.  Regardless, it’s clear that even if the local elevens are off the region is focused on the gridiron rather than the ice.

What about Sundays?  Do the Falcons have any impact on the Thrashers attendance?

All time Sunday:  14,497  (78%)

November:      12,000

December:      16,088

January:          15,311

February:         14,175

March:             16,618

Average when Falcons play: 12,806 ; Average when Falcons don't play: 15,624

That would be yes.  In a big way.  The largest swing of the football competition.  Don’t let anyone fool you.  This is a pro football town.

Does the opponent matter?  We’ve long heard that Atlanta is a city of transplants from the north.  The Thrashers are struggling to achieve a solid fan base because the out of towners have not abandoned their affiliations with the previous teams.  Below are the averages for each team.  Phoenix, I believe, can be taken with a grain of salt as they’ve only appeared in Atlanta once and that was on a non football season Friday night.  I guess everyone wanted to get a glimpse at Gretzky.

Poor St Louis has come to town on Falcon Sundays twice in their 3 visits.  They were doomed from the start.  Also of note is the poor draw that is Nashville.

Many Thrashers fans have desired a regular meeting with the Preds due to their geographic proximity.  I think we may want to temper this movement as there appears to be little interest for the Predators outside of the resident topographers

Team

Avg att

% cap

Phoenix

18545

100.00%

Detroit

18052

97.34%

Pittsburgh

16221

87.47%

Washington

16218

87.45%

 

Philadelphia

16212

87.42%

NY Rangers

16177

87.23%

Anaheim

16028

86.43%

Vancouver

15858

85.51%

Tampa Bay

15788

85.13%

Carolina

15758

84.97%

Buffalo

15755

84.96%

San Jose

15656

84.42%

Toronto

15606

84.15%

New Jersey

15494

83.55%

Montreal

15459

83.36%

AVG

15373

82.90%

 

Minnesota

15276

82.37%

Dallas

15251

82.24%

Boston

15105

81.45%

Calgary

14857

80.11%

Ottawa

14761

79.60%

Chicago

14685

79.19%

Los Angeles

14422

77.77%

NY Islanders

14366

77.47%

Florida

14088

75.97%

Nashville

13916

75.04%

Edmonton

13887

74.88%

Columbus

13566

73.15%

Colorado

13095

70.61z

St Louis

13001

70.11%

 

Ultimately without regard to opponent or other goings on the true trump card for Thrashers attendance is simply the day of the week. Over the past 5 seasons the average by day of the week breaks down as:

Sunday:       14,997

Monday:      13,795

Tuesday:      13,929

Wednesday: 14,702

Thursday:     14,581

Friday:          16,667

Saturday:      17,178

A bit tough for the Thrashers this season as their remaining home schedule loads them up on tough draw nights:

Sun:  2

Mon: 1

Tue:   9

Wed: 0

Thu:  6

Fri:   1

Sat:  4

Thus I think its safe to surmise that Atlanta is NOT a hockey town.  The people will allegedly show up to the arena if they are playing well but we have not seen enough winning in Atlanta to generate a passion.  As it stands the Thrashers remain one of many entertainment options in the city.  We see larger crowds on the “date nights” and continue to struggle on work/school nights.  Until the team starts winning with regularity this team is not a must attend event.

Sources:

 

Thrasher attendance figures courtesy of www.atlantathrashers.com

MLB, NFL, NBA attendance figures courtesy of espn.com except 2005 Atlanta Falcons which was pulled from atlantafalcons.com

Atlanta stadia capacity figures courtesy of espn.com except Atlanta Hawks which was pulled from the Philips Arena Wikipedia site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips_Arena.

NHL Capacities courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ice_hockey_arenas_by_capacity

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>> Until the team starts winning with regularity this team is not a must attend event.

This statement is also applicable to Georgia Tech Yellowjackets (both basketball and football), the Atlanta Hawks, Atlanta Braves, and Atlanta Falcons. That’s the DNA of Atlanta. It’s a fantastic sports city, but only if the teams are competitive.

by SilverRubicon on Jan 5, 2010 10:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Here are the numbers for the pro teams during the same span

Hawks GP Avg % Cap
2009-10 | 16 | 16707 | 89.2 |
2008-09 | 41 | 16748 | 89.4 | 2nd Round of Playoffs
2007-08 | 41 | 16280 | 83.7 | 1st Round of Playoffs
2006-07 | 41 | 15594 | 80.2 | 3rd worst team in the league
2005-06 | 41 | 15071 | 77.5 | 4th worst team in the league

Thrashers
2009-10 | 18 | 13745 | 74.1 |
2008-09 | 41 | 14626 | 78.9 | 4th worst team in the league
2007-08 | 41 | 15831 | 85.4 | 3rd worst team in the league
2006-07 | 41 | 16240 | 87.6 | 1st round of the playoffs
2005-06 | 41 | 15550 | 83.9 | 19th ; missed playoffs by 2 points

Braves
2009 | 81 | 29304 | 58.5 | 86-76; 3rd in NL east
2008 | 81 | 31269 | 62.4 | 79-83; 4th in NL east
2007 | 81 | 33891 | 67.7 | 84-78; 3rd in NL east
2006 | 81 | 31881 | 63.6 | 79-83; 3rd in NL east
2005 | 81 | 31514 | 62.9 | 90-72; 1st in NL east; lost in 1st rd

Falcons
2009 | 8 | 68173 | 95.7 | 9-7; 2nd in NFC South
2008 | 8 | 64065 | 89.9 | 11-5; lost to Cardinals in rd1
2007 | 8 | 68395 | 96 | 4-12; 3rd worst in NFL
2006 | 8 | 70432 | 98.9 | 7-9; 3rd in NFC South
2005 | 8 | 70657 | 99.2 | 8-8; 3rd in NFC south

by 0vermars on Jan 5, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the only exception to your theory is the Braves as they’ve stayed fairly consistent at the gate despite some mediocre results. That said I believe it is their culture of winning fostered over the previous decades that makes the Braves a part of Atlanta’s summer ritual. Their excellence over a long period of time has grown a loyal fan base. Well, as loyal as Atlanta can be.

by 0vermars on Jan 5, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding post! It’s really disheartening to see those numbers, but it should be no surprise, Atlanta is frequently voted as one of the worst sports towns. The one thing to do to fix that is WIN and we seem to have problems doing that. Any thoughts on why Thursday games do so poorly? I would have thought Thursday would be a good night because it’s “almost the weekend.” I can always stumble through a Friday to get to the weekend if I stayed out late Thursday.

by Sunshine36616 on Jan 5, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you regarding Thursdays. Not sure why the Thrashers don’t draw on that night especially considering they actually offer promotions to the those games (cheap ticket sections on their site). I’d like to see more marketing of the team but that’s a general statement not restricted to Thursdays

by 0vermars on Jan 5, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

still have to brave rush hour. i, curious, because i went to uga (where thrashers marketing was nonexistent), but does the team advertise a lot around atlanta universities i.e. emory, tech, gsu? it seems too logical to have a street team or something going around those schools spreading the good word and promotions. i know they have college deals, but they dont really publicize it much. I think if they had something like a street team, thursday attendances would increase, because most tech and gsu are in walking distance to the arena, and emory is right by marta.

by dennylambert!! on Jan 5, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As a teacher I have personally witnessed street team advertising at GSU, Emory and KSU. I can’t speak about any other universities.

All things Thrashers + stats: www.birdwatchersanonymous.com

by The Falconer on Jan 5, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

beer

i think they should promote beer a little more to attract the college crowd. i know they have a deal now at the headline grill on thursdays for a tiny crappy beer for $3, i think, but that bar is always understaffed and not very “effective” (once i tried to get a beer there, it was all foam, i told the woman the CO2 needs to be adjusted, she said its because of the cup, riiiiight, so i said forget about it). since draft beer has such a huge profit margin, they could do a lot more with beer offers and still stay well in the black. the arena and team needs to start getting more creative to draw people especially from the thousands of potential fans only blocks away.

by dennylambert!! on Jan 5, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A Perfect Storm courtesy of the NHL and DW

i think the team also got an extremely crappy and unfair schedule this year for bringing out fans. the holiday season has always inflated attendances in december, because families are off of school and work and looking for things to do in the city. this year, thrashers havent had a december game since the 21and dont return until january 7, thus completely skipping the holiday season. Then, Phillips is saturated with games in January yet only one is on a weekend (thats 1/7). As you pointed out, weekday fans dont draw a smany fans, because its harder to go to the games (thank you atlanta traffic). I think the NHL is not helping the situation by giving the team such a crappy schedule.

but averaging over 15,000 for the past 5 seasons is a good sign, especially if you take out the outlier of last season which was a perfect storm for low attendance (terrible economy, terrible team out of the playoffs by around january).

and there are only a few cities who have fans that still come when a team sucks e.g. toronto, montreal. look at chicago’s and washington’s attendance when they were bad a few years ago. In 2006 they finished 29thand 28th in the league respectively. That year, Tampa Bay finished 2nd. 2004, penguins finished dead last, and thrashers finished higher than ducks, devils, pens, blackhawks, and caps. My point is that all these current poster child cities for the nhl are also fair weather fans that only joined the band wagon when players like Ovy, Green, Toews, Kane, Crosby, and Malkin to name a few came in the picture and their teams starting winning.

Unfortunately for the thrashers, we could have been on the same level of Washington or Chicago by this point, had it not been for DW’s incompetence for the past decade. His poor management has resulted in perennial playoff misses and consequently poor attendances which could threaten the team’s existence. However, i think were FINALLY on the right path to amassing good young talent like these other teams have, and hopefully it will reflect soon in the attendance records.

by dennylambert!! on Jan 5, 2010 11:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Chicago as Bandwagon Fans...

The Chicago as bandwagon fans argument is a hard one to take as a Hawks fan. The city in the past was always a strong hockey city, until the fans were ran out of the building by a clueless owner. I look at people like my father who followed the team religiously and then eventually gave up when old man Wirtz gave the middle finger to the fans one too many times (And the famous worst franchise in all of sports title given out by ESPN proves this. Think about it, the Raiders also qualify as a sports franchise).

The fans came back once it was known they were cared about again, and yes, it seems like a lot of bandwagon fans suddenly coming out, but mainly from a the “lost generation” under Wirtz where hockey became an afterthought in the city. Most of us aren’t new hockey fans, we are lifelong fans who are finally comfortable putting our time and money into the sport we always loved, we just needed to be hugged back.

by burgstrom on Feb 4, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see him do the myth of 7pm or 7:30pm games. Do the stats show that if games were moved to 7:30 pm on non-weekend games that it would draw more people? What about the other Atlanta teams? Do they draw more people with later games?

by Ahijado94 on Jan 5, 2010 12:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s very hard to answer because the time change does very within a single season. For example the switch from 7:30 to 7pm happened right around the lock out. Did weeknight attendance change because of the time shift or because of the quality of the hockey product changed? Very hard to sort out that question. It would be interesting to see them experiment with 7:30 starts on a night other than Friday. Perhaps pick Wednesdays? I’m sure if they tried that they would get many complaints from fans about it being confusing having different starting times.

All things Thrashers + stats: www.birdwatchersanonymous.com

by The Falconer on Jan 5, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

@Ahijado94 great idea. I’ve wondered this, too.

by Sunshine36616 on Jan 5, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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