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Can the Thrashers Afford Nik Zherdev?

Nikolai Zherdev mentioned that he has been talking with the Thrashers about coming to play in Atlanta. But how much could the Thrashers afford to pay him? The answer is "not much."  Zherdev won an arbitration case this summer to the tune of a $4 million salary and the Rangers exercised their right to walk away from the contract, which made Zherdev an Unrestricted Free Agent (UFA).

How much could the Thrashers offer Zherdev?

The Thrashers receive substantial revenue sharing money from the NHL ONLY if they stay under the Salary Mid-Point ($48.8 million). As of this moment a 22 man roster with Crabb and Anthony Stewart (both cheap) getting the last 2 forward spots comes a total of $48.423 million in cap hit (adding Evander Kane or Spencer Machcek would cost more).That leaves the Thrashers with just under $1 million under the mid-point if you add Stewart's salary plus the cap space.

The crucial thing is whether you think Zach Bogosian will earn all of his $2.5 million bonus incentive clauses or not. The $48.4 million cap number cited above does include all the bonus money. However, some of those bonus clauses are very tough to earn, so it is unlikely that they will all kick in.

Let's sayBogosian will only earn $1 million of his potential bonuses. That leaves the Thrashers with $1.5 million plus the salary of whomever gets bumped off the roster (~$0.5 million). It is possible that the Thrashers could offer Zherdev as much as $2.0 million but doing so will leave them with their nose up against the mid-point and probably give Assistant GM Larry Simmons heartburn since he will need to scrimp and save cap dollar whenever transactions are made.

There are some serious risks for the Thrashers if they sign Zherdev at $2 million. What if Bogosian goes All-Star on the team and earns more bonus money than they project? What if the teams ends up with a rash of injuries which force them to call up more bodies and spend more money than budgeted? If either of those scenarios were to happen, the true cost of adding Zherdev to the roster would be $2 million plus the hit from going over the mid-point and losing revenue sharing. Let's say hypothetically that going over the mid-point were to result in a $4 decrease in revenue sharing--that makes Nik Zherdev's true cost to the franchise $6 million in a worst case scenario.

It think adding Zherdev would increase the talent base among the forwards (plus I have my doubts Peverley can sustain his scoring rate from last season). But the financial risks are substantial and if you are the GM you can't ignore those risks. The Thrashers have a very tough call on their hands. The potential benefits are substantial and the potential costs are also substantial.

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Another point worth mentioning is that Kovalchuk knows Zherdev wants to sign in Atlanta. How is Atlanta supposed to prove to Kovalchuk they want to win as much as he does if they pass on a deal that will obviously make the team better? The realities of a low-income franchise are brutal- I know I can’t be the only one thinking ‘Wow, too bad it became apparent Z would hit free agency AFTER we signed Antropov.’

by DungeonK on Sep 8, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You aren’t the only one thinking that. However, what if Kovalchuk doesn’t want Z on the team? Kovy could have said to DW, don’t do it. Who really knows? FTR, I am part of the sign Zherdev company.

by EvilMilkshake on Sep 8, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Blueshirt Banter’s translation of the original Russian interview Kovy and Z have been working out together the past couple of weeks and “Ilya, naturally, invites me to Atlanta with all his might (laughs)”

Here’s to hoping they take the plunge :D

by DungeonK on Sep 9, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zherdev

If Zherdev works out well, the team wins more games, sells more seats, and make the playoffs, doesn’t the increased revenue from regular season ticket sales and possibly playoff ticket sales offset the loss of revenue sharing dollars?

Yes, Zherdev is a risk; but, I’d rather take a Zherdev type risk than the usual 35 year old over the hill greybeard risk like Rucchin or Klee.

I’d like to see the Thrashers give Zherdev a shot. Zherdev wants to come here and that’s a far cry from last season when Dan Boyle waived his no trade clause to avoid coming to Atlanta on waivers. To me, the Thrashers should take advantage of the turning tide otherwise the Thrasher ship may still be stuck in port as it has for 10 years.

by R. Stroz on Sep 9, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Stroz that’s the first thought on my mind. The calculations do not look at how much more in revenue might be made by icing a more successful franchise. Additionally, how much more ticket revenue might the team lose if they have another crap season and/or lose Kovalchuk moving forward?

As far as I’m concerned, the franchise is truly playing for its life this season and with those kinds of stakes, money does not need to be an object. Especially since Belkin should be contributing that back cashflow – at least for this season that should more than off-set any losses in revenue sharing.

by WINGZ_25 on Sep 9, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If adding Zherdev costs $6-7 million are you certain the team will pull in $6-7 million more revenue with him than they would without him? If you’re the GM and you get the answer wrong you might be out of a job.

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by The Falconer on Sep 9, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s really a moot point since DEE-dub should’ve lost his job years ago :D

by muttonsourdough on Sep 9, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why heartburn? There’s headaches… ulcers… and you pulled heartburn out?

Seriously though, if we traded someone to open up cap space wouldn’t that work?

by ThrashersRecaps on Sep 9, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The owners are kind of delusional in my opinion, so I’m not sure we should hold our breath here. Their attitude all along has been one of “Buy season tickets and give us sell outs and then we’ll improve the team. We’re not putting money into the team until we are sure the fans will support us as it would be stupid to pay more out of our pockets and not get any additional income.” And many fans have rightly said “Until you show a commitment to improve the team, you won’t have sell outs.” Those attitudes are diametrically opposed to each other with each side insisting that the other is wrong and neither side willing to take a chance that the other guy might be right. Actually the fans are right in this one. Unlike DungeonK, I’d rather have Antropov, but having both would be nice.

by Zontar on Sep 9, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sign Him Now

I keep checking the news because I truly expect the Thrashers to sign Zherdev any day now.

Zherdev gives the Thrashers the one thing they have been dying to get for years now, a second option at RW, and scoring depth across the top two lines. Zherdev allows Little to move back to C (if he and the staff think that he can be as productive at C as he was at RW). Zherdev adds depth and replacement value at LW if/when Kozlov steps down at the end of the season (assuming Zherdev would stay after one year.) He adds a stickhandling and passing threat that this current simply does not have.

Mostly, he helps this team take yet another step towards the playoffs.

by Jarndyce on Sep 9, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do the salary cap numbers account for the surplus of goalies we have right now? I think we can afford to loose a goalie before the season starts. The point in not trading a goalie has been we want value for him, but if trading Moose in a salary dump helps clear space then maybe it is an option.

Personally I think managing a team budget around an absolute need for revenue sharing is a risky proposition. Yes, you are stupid to pass up free money when you can get it, but you really can’t pass over good options for team growth for those reasons.

by godsendjen on Sep 9, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pavelec can be sent to AHL without any cap hit. Legace is just a tryout. The other goalies have 2 way contracts so no cap hit. Hedberg has a bigger base salary than Pavelec, but Pavelec was a lot of bonus incentive clauses. In theory, if you traded Hedberg and Pavelec didn’t trigger any bonus money, Pavs would be cheaper. The Thrashers never have great SV% of GAA but it is possible Pavelec might trigger a Games Played bonus if he were up all year and Lehtonen took his usual month off.

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by The Falconer on Sep 9, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw the need for revenue sharing dollars out the window

It does nothing for the long term stability of the franchise and signing the face of the franchise. An extra few million this year is worth that?? If so, and if Kovy leaves next year, I’ll be really turned off to this team, sad to say. I’m fairweather, I’ll admit that fault but I just refuse to support an organization that is so poorly run. Signing Z and putting better quality and depth on the ice, would quell that fanxiety.

by Cracker! on Sep 9, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Screw the revenue sharing money. Spending a little more $$ and putting the best team possible on the ice will increase attendance, better the chances of making the playoffs (free money!), increase ticket sales down the road, make this team a more attractive free agent destination… the list goes on and on. All of the positives that come from being a better team are part of the road to better financial success for the owners.

being miserly and hoping for a handout from the league is pathetic. The owners shouldn’t settle for charity when they have the power to generate profits on their own.

by Pfloyd75 on Sep 9, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Moose nuggets

I agree. Dump Moose and let Pavalec take the strong back-up shooting for top spot (huge competition cause Lehts is going to experience groin issues, right? Pavelec is very, very hungry as evident last season. It’s time to shit or get off the pot. Bottom line—ditch Hedberg, free money and pick up Z

by Gumpucks on Sep 9, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bogosian cant be the only one with bonus incentives in his contract and if your already that close to the mid-point you better be prepared to go over.

by swegs on Sep 9, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

These players have incentives: Bogosian (big), Little and Pavelec. Little’s incentives are probably less than $200,000 maximum.

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by The Falconer on Sep 9, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm a lot fewer players than i would have guessed

by swegs on Sep 9, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like this post...

doesn’t figure in Elvander Kane making the team. If that be the case then his salary and bonuses would probably eclipse those of Crabb or Stewart. So do you want Kane here now or Zheredev this year and maybe a bigger stronger Kane next year?

by J.K. Sockey on Sep 10, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please see today’s post :)

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by The Falconer on Sep 10, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love opportunity costs…

by campbadly on Sep 9, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anybody know how much that revenue sharing cut amounts to? That would help me understand what’s going on in the minds of management.

by fatschoonerrat on Sep 9, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

According to this article: http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/07/preds-hit-revenue-sharing-mark/

Nashville’s cut of revenue sharing was close to $10 million last season. It also points out that teams have to meet certain attendance goals to get a full slice of the revenue sharing pie- averaging 14k paid attendance. I saw another article that said that the Coyotes lost 25% of the revenue sharing income because they didn’t meet that 14k average threshold. If the Thrashers have yet another dud season, breaking 14k might be difficult.

by Pfloyd75 on Sep 9, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only incompetence and/or cheapness prevented Phoenix from reaching that mark. Owners can sell tickets for very cheaply (Tampa Bay) or buy them themselves (Nashville) to reach that mark for 14k in avg. paid attendance. If the Thrashers have another bad season, yes, it will be difficult to reach that mark. If they let Kovy leave as a free agent, I can promise you that it will be years before I go to another game unless maybe I get a free ticket.

by Zontar on Sep 9, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Thrashers took a hit for failing to grow revenues fast enough last season. I assume they reached the paid attendance threshold. Other criteria include market size and staying under the mid-point.

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by The Falconer on Sep 9, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much would 1. having an exciting team that actually draws + 2. making the playoffs and getting to the 2nd round (giving another 6 sellouts or so) earn for the organization. Would that offset whatever they would take in revenue sharing? Seems like it would and then pay for itself even more in the next season’s season ticket increase.

by fatschoonerrat on Sep 9, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Pfloyds numbers above are correct, what is the math for the Thrashers losing revenue sharing? If we’re just talking about $10M vs a playoff run, it’s not even worth doing the math.

The Braves suck, the Falcons play once a week and UGA is going to be pretty average this year. If there was a year for the Thrashers to start filling up a bandwagon with fans, this would be it.

by Pogue Mahon on Sep 9, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Playoff Revenue

If you use ridiculously conservative numbers, and assume a $50 average ticket price, and maybe $25 per person for food, drinks, and merchandise, then revenue per playoff game is about $1.35 million. Worst case (or best case), that’s two home games, so about $2.7M. Obviously, some of the costs would have to come out of that, but not player salaries. So, using the standard that salaries are roughly 60% of revenues (see cba), and assume a slim margin on the remaining 40%:

Thrashers clear somewhere around $1.6M for two playoff games. If you get to the second round, you can probably double that amount (higher ticket prices, more swag, more beer drinking), and at a two-game minimun, add another $3.2M.

So, somewhere near $5M for sweeping two rounds of playoff games.

by Jarndyce on Sep 10, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dang it -

I just did mostly the same math on the value to the franchise of playoff games. Z makes is MUCH more likely that the Thrashers pick up a couple million in playoff revenue.

That said, the cheaper way to do that is by picking up a rent-a-player for the playoff run.

by jonathan_m_peterson on Sep 10, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point about a rental. If you add Zherdev the Thrashes can not add a player at the trade deadline without subtracting some salary.

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by The Falconer on Sep 10, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d much rather see us sign Zherdev for nothing than turn out prospects/picks for a rental. Seems like cleaning out the farm system (see also: Keith Tkachuck, Alexei Zhitnik) would cost more in terms of success over the long haul, which would cost the team money. Plus, is a rental player really going to help the team as much as a talented player who participates in the system all season?

If you look at who’s available at the deadline, it’s not all that interesting. Most of the better FAs next year are on playoff teams. Although the idea of picking up someone like Hejduk, Frolov or Whitney at the deadline would be kind of interesting, I’d still prefer taking a chance on Zherdev.

by fatschoonerrat on Sep 11, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zherdev vs Rental

I believe rental players are truly dangerous for a team trying to make the playoffs. A rental player is extremely costly, and worth the payoff only if the rented player is the final piece that you think you need to win the Cup, not make the playoffs.

Let’s do a quick analysis, using really broad assumptions. Bear with me.

First, let’s assign some relative score for winning a playoff round and winning the Cup. Just for the sake of simplicity, I’ll go with the revenue numbers above: Call it $800k per first round playoff game, $1.6M for second round, $3.5M for conference finals, and $8M for Cup games. And, if your team wins the Cup, we’ll bonus you $10M for merchandising, future ticket revenue, etc. We’ll assign an average 3 home games per round. Sound reasonable?

Next, we’ll have to assign some dollars to players. Let’s call a full-season ufa Z, and assign a $4M salary. Then we’ll call a rental R, and assign the same salary, but for 20 games, or $1M. Without Z, an alternative must play. We’ll give him a $1M salary over 60 games, or $750k. Then, we’ll assign three players given up for a rental, and call them A, B, and C. A is next year’s top draft pick, we’ll give him an average of $3M per year for 3 years (he’ll rack up some nice bonuses). The other two we’ll say are top prospects, $1M for 3. Total cost, $15M for three years.

If you give up these three players, you have to replace them. You have two choices, either replace them with cheaper alternatives who won’t be as productive, or with similar productivity that you have to buy outside of your system. So, let’s hold productivity the same, but attribute a 25% premium for buying them. Total cost, $18.75M for three years. See where this is going?

Okay, not signing Z and getting a rental saves you $2.25M in salary, but costs $3.75M in additional, replacement salary over the next three years. So, you’re losing $1.5M. This is without any additional costs like lower revenue during the first year, etc.

If the rental player allows you to make the playoffs and lose in the first round (cough-Rangers), then the total payoff for renting is about $900k. If he helps you go from 1st round to 2nd round, payoff is also $900k.

If he can make the difference between 2nd and 3rd round, then the payoff jumps to $4.2M.

If he can get you to the cup, its a $12M payoff, and $22M if you win.

That’s a lot of envelope math (and a boatload of assumptions that can be easily argued out) but it’s at least an illustration of what renting can cost you. If the team is solid enough to be a 2nd-round playoff team, and the rental upgrade over current players/depth is enought to push you to the 3rd round or finals, then by all means, rent away. Otherwise, It’s a sucker’s game, and the suckers are usually the fans.

by Jarndyce on Sep 11, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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