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Scotty Bowman Talks NHL Rules with BWA

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When Scotty Bowman was coaching the Red Wings, he had a reputation for being garrulous with press. Given that reputation, I was very surprised to see Bowman hanging out at the media rail for the majority of the two day NHL Draft chatting with reporters. He seemed relaxed and maybe even a little bored in retirement. I waited my turn on the rail asked him two questions about NHL rules. Bowman is a great thinker about the game of hockey, so I wanted his thoughts on how the existing rules might be improved.

On a personal level I had no idea what to expect from him. Scotty Bowman is a NHL legend and I'm a total stranger. So I was pleasantly surprised when he paused and really thought before he answered my 2nd question. He could have just given a perfunctory answer but he didn't.

Bird Watchers Anonymous: This last season the NHL adopted a new rule which required every initial faceoff of a power play take place in the offensive zone. This has had a big effect on team power play scoring rates. Where you surprised by this?

Scotty Bowman: No. Faceoffs are the hardest part in hockey to get equity. There's pressure on the linesmen to drop the puck. There are no perfect faceoffs. Teams have strategies--more strategy than ever--of putting out two good faceoff men on the ice at the same time. The guys all have moves and little tricks and you can't throw them out all of the time. I'm a bit of purist on that, I don't want to make a lot of changes in the game. That change was made in an attempt to improve scoring. No matter what they try, the defenses are [very good]. When you get down to crunch time, there is a lot of strategy. Coaches in the NHL are very qualified and everyone is doing their best to win the game.

Bird Watcher's Anonymous: If you could make one rule change in today's NHL, what change would you make?

Scotty Bowman: [after a long thoughtful pause] This isn't an on-ice rule, but I'd like to see them end the practice of letting the playoff finish determine the draft order. If you look at a team like Carolina, people don't realize that they finished 19th or 20th [in the regular season] but they're picking 27th--in EVERY round. They copied this from football where the Super Bowl teams pick last. But in hockey it affects every round of the draft. Let's say San Jose had the best team over 82 games.They didn't do as well in the playoffs, but over 82 games they were probably the best team. Now they get to move up a few spots in every round because of their playoffs. It has a long range impact.

As far as the on-ice rules go, I wasn't sure about removing the center red line for icings, I wanted to remove it when the puck was advanced to the top of the face off circles. But now teams work the stretch pass. It is a strategy to work the puck out of your end and just tip it across into the offensive zone. It hasn't become an offensive strategy at all--but a defensive one. Almost like a long dump in play.

The puck over the glass penalty bothers me as a coach. I wish they would let the referee determine if it was intentional or not. Some General Managers wanted it. Ken Holland and I we get along very well, but as a coach--if you're a man short and your guy dives to clear a puck and it goes over the glass--that's very tough to take. Their argument is that the skill players never get this penalty.

Conclusion: Thanks again to Coach Bowman for taking the time to talk about NHL rules with me. I was surprised to hear him bring up the draft order--but I totally agree with him on that one. The regular season is a better measure of a team's quality and the playoffs have a larger luck component to them. I'll have to disagree on the penalty for clearing the glass in the defensive zone--I like the fact that it is no longer a judgment call.

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I guess Uncle Scotty isn’t nearly as mean as you’d think.

by godsendjen on Aug 27, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow — great stuff. Good on Scotty for calling out the two-line pass: we’ve never seen its effects in isolation of other simultaneous rule changes, and I suspect it’s never been as useful at promoting offense as people seem to think.

Awesome opportunity, well seized.

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by Earl Sleek on Aug 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad you liked it.

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by The Falconer on Aug 27, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didja get all flustered and stuttery?

Were you as giddy as a schoolgirl, maybe? Did you offer to wash his car, have his babies?

Glad you got a chance to talk to him, Dead Thing fan that you are.

by Pogue Mahon on Aug 27, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not for Bowman, but for Steve Yzerman…oh yeah.

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by The Falconer on Aug 27, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree with bowman re letting refs determine if sending the puck over the boards was intentional. i don’t like seeing that rule create a 5 on 3.

by mo wanchuk on Aug 27, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done sir.

I’ve often considered the idea that with the role of enforcers more or less being diminished, perhaps faceoff experts will eventually be the necessary addition to a team. And by that I mean, guys who strictly master the faceoff circle – 60% or higher but don’t exactly contribute much offensively past, say, the third or fourth line.

Last year, before he was injured, the Penguins used Mike Zigomanis in this way. He’d come out on the PP, win the offensive faceoff and rush to the bench to send on a PP guy. Could make for some interesting strategy in the future.

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by FrankD on Aug 27, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Especially when you consider Desjardins recent article where he showed that winning a faceoff in the offensive zone leads to a shot ratio comparable to a 5>3 in the first 8-10 seconds after the offensive team wins control. It is just huge.

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by The Falconer on Aug 27, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that the one that popped up on hockey prospectus a few days ago? If so I definitely saw it. It’s going to take some shifting and strategy, but if you start the PP out in the offensive zone with four forwards (including the faceoff specialist and one lined up on the blue line) and one Dman, then after the faceoff guy wins the puck back to the point the forward lined up as a dman can shift up, the faceoff guy can run to the bench and switch off with a defenseman more apt for the PP. It sounds like a headache but I’m sure it’ll be executed more efficiently with practice.

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by FrankD on Aug 27, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve wondered about that too. Yanic Perreault and Jason Krog could fill that role right now in the NHL. I have no delusions about Krog’s ability to score in the NHL, but I am just amazed that nobody seems to think he has value as a 4th line center/faceoff specialist.

by Zontar on Aug 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think by definition, that wouldn’t be work. it works now because not every team has the flexibility necessary to employ someone so specialized. But if you get to the point where most of the teams have a pure F/O specialist, they ‘ll be back down to 49-51% because they’ll be facing other specialists and evening out the talent.

by Pogue Mahon on Aug 31, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point. Maybe it would really only play a significant point in icing calls where one team is allowed to make a line change and gets the offensive zone faceoff. It may also depends on who has home ice and has to send the lines out first.

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by FrankD on Aug 31, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you about the puck over the glass; an objective rule is far better than a subjective rule. But I disagree about the draft. Winning the Cup is the point of the game and it doesn’t make much sense to me to let the Cup winning team pick 15th while half the league picks after. If you win the Cup you should be able to suck it up and take the 30th pick.

A man must have a code.

by Fehr and Balanced on Aug 28, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s actually part of his point. In the NFL, only the two conference champions are moved to the bottom of the order. The NHL (like MLS) takes it farther, dropping a team’s position in the order for every playoff series it wins. (The NBA and MLB don’t consider the playoffs at all in setting draft order.)

by silverpie on Aug 31, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

scotty

(By “garralous” did you mean garrulous?)

I once stood in line for a hour before a Grand Rapids Griffins game just so I could get a hand shake from Scotty Bowman.

He probably has enough pull to influence any rule change he wants. I would eliminate the stupid trapezoid rule. What good has that done?

by wowjimi on Sep 1, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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