Will Pavel Kubina Make Ron Hainsey More Effective?
Hainsey played with a variety of partners last season. His two most common partners were Garnet Exelby and Boris Valabik. On a playoff caliber team, both Exebly and Valabik are probably third pairing defenseman.Personally, I think that Ron Hainsey had the difficult challenge of being a top 4 defenseman who was paired with a bottom pairing partner for most of the season last year.
In fact, if you look at the data, Ron Hainsey turned in some pretty solid numbers when he was NOT paired with Exelby or Valabik last year. Let's a take a look at how Hainsey fared in this non-XLB and non-Boris situations.
The numbers below show that Hainsey was outshot very badly when out on the ice with Exelby and Valabik but posted a nice positive shot differential when paired with other Thrashers defense.
Even Strength Shots on Goal
- -82 Ron Hainsey + Garnett Exelby (155 SF -237 SA)
- -43 Ron Hainsey + Boris Valabik (188 SF - 231 SA)
- +35 Ron Hainsey + anyone other than Exelby and Valabik (234 SF - 199 SA)
If we add in missed shots the pattern becomes even more stark. The Exelby plus Hainsey were outshot by almost 100 while the Hainsey plus anyone else was a net positive.
Even Strength Shots + Missed Shots on Goal
- -96 Ron Hainsey + Garnett Exelby (228 SAF -324 SAA)
- -57 Ron Hainsey + Boris Valabik (261 GF - 318 GA)
- +35 Ron Hainsey + anyone other than Exelby and Valabik (288 GF - 252 GA)
Shots and missed shots are one measure of offensive pressure. More often than not the team that exerts more pressure is more likely to win the scoring battle. At the end of the day, what really matters is not just shots but goals. You have to win the goal battle to win the game. And season team Goal Differential predicts the NHL Standings with 93% accuracy.
A common mistake is to use plus/minus to mreasure defensive ability--it doesn't do that. It measures both offensive and defensive ability. But the official plus/minus numbers are contaminated by Short Handed Goals and Empty Net Goals for and against. Below is Adjusted Plus/Minus which is the net team Goal Differential ONLY when the number of skaters is even (4 on 4 of 5 on 5)--no SHG no ENG are included.
Using Adjusted Plus/Minus we see a similar pattern. The Exelby-Hainsey was out chanced by badly and their plus/minus was -10. The Hainsey-Valabik combo was not as bad but still finished with a negative shot differential and we can see that they were outscored 12-17 at Even Strenght last season. When we get to the Hainsey+everyone else we see the positive shot and chance numbers translated into a positive Goal Differential of +4 last season.
- -10 Ron Hainsey + Garnett Exelby (11 GF -21 GA)
- -5 Ron Hainsey + Boris Valabik (12 GF - 17 GA)
- +4 Ron Hainsey + anyone other than Exelby and Valabik (18 GF - 14 GA)
Conclusion:
Ron Hainsey demonstrated that he could be a positive defenseman last year when paired with some stronger defenseman. Pavel Kubina has been a top four guy for several years. Hainsey strength as a defender is his mobility and passing skills. Kubina is not the most mobile but uses his size effectively and he passes well. If Hainsey and Kubina can learn to complement each other the Thrashers could really benefit from having a top 4 pairing that can put up a positive goal differential.
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Nice breakdown and it makes sense. Hainsy came in touted as an offensive defenseman and it makes sense that his game suffers when he plays with someone who prevents him from taking chances. If we can prevent goals and keep the offensive pressure on (especially when the Kovy line is out) it should translate into a couple of points in the standing. Not a miracle cure, but a move in the right direction.
by godsendjen on Jul 21, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another way to interpret the numbers: As his partner goes, so does Hainsey. Which is a very different impression of him compared to “Bad partners have dragged him down.”
by srvadt on Jul 21, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be fair to say that Ron Hainsey is not someone who can singlehandly make a below-average partner look better.
Still if you put Hainsey with a real top 4 defender, it appears he is capable of handling his half of the responsibilities.
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by The Falconer on Jul 21, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap no. To interpret the numbers in that manner is so far off base logically, its would almost be laughable- were it not so pathetic. Hainsey’s numbers are down when paired with what amounts to a rookie (Valabik) and- god love him but we have to admit that he has been in over his head for most of his career- Exelby. Both have repeatedly been called out for being slow of foot and prone to bad positional defensive play. By being paired with these guys, Hainsey was forced to cover more ice than was possible for one guy, cover for more mistakes than was possible for one guy…to suggest that as his partner goes so goes Hainsey is quite ludicrous. Screw the numbers even- watch the games. Its right there.
Great analysis Falconer and I have suspected this for quite a while. Good to see it in plain black and white. Too bad the myopic Hainsey hater faction had to show up and spew their own brand of stinky poo all over the place. For godsakes- don’t make a Todd White blog. Those haters will crash your page.
by Tappers#3 on Jul 21, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got nothing against Hainsey at all. Really have no idea what your steamed at.
by srvadt on Jul 21, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interpretation
Is subjective to people and how they view things. There is no right or wrong interpretation. There are interpretations that are more popular than others.
That said, I dont think he is far off the idea. All he said was his play is influenced by his partners’. Bad partners have led him to have bad games and good partners have gotten him good ones. Which is another way of saying Ron Hainsey is very effective when paired with a good defenseman.
Ron Hainsey demonstrated that he could be a positive defenseman last year when paired with some stronger defenseman
by SumOil on Jul 22, 2009 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More of a reaafirmation
Srvbdman,
You kind of did say that. Hainsey can only do so much. Many fans who watch games have known Exelby has been ineffective for a long time. I have gone to only 7 or 8 games last year, and in most of those games Exelby made poor decisions that led to at least one goal against in each game. Hainsey, I am sure was paired with him to balance him out. Valabik wa less experienced, and is not very mobile. Exelby has been in the NHL for at least 7 years to Valabik’s 1-1 1/2 seasons. No comparison. I think that Falconer is trying to show us how bad our defense was, and how Exelby was. Valabik is not great, but his stats were not as bad at his experience level compared to Exelby. This shows me that Waddell and the owners gave Exelby too long to prove himself;Kubina is a much better defenceman, and the whole NHL and NHL press knows it! Hainsey was not to blame IMO. Even the games I saw on TV. Exelby also showed weakness. Even Bogosian was better than Exelby!! I can’t wait to see Hainsey and Kubina play together! I hope they play as good as I think they will.
by BTF on Jul 22, 2009 7:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Kubina's numbers vs. Exelby's numbers
Last year, Kubina had 40 points (14 goals, 26 assists). HIs +/- though was 15 which is not good, but as Falconer has pointed out, +/ is not the best number for defenceman. He also had 94 PIM over 82 games. Goals against while Kubina is on ice is a better number. I am not sure how to find that, but Exelby’s numbers are 7 pts. ( 0 goals, 7 assists), -2 (which I think is misleading), and 120 PIM. Falconer posted GAA with Exelby on ice and that is a more true picture of his effectiveness.
Exelby was a terrible passer; Kubina is much better. Kubina has been on a Stanley Cup winning team in the Tampa Bay Lightning in 2004; Exelby has not.
I correct myself, Exelby has been up in the NHL for 6 seasons not 7. The point I made in a previous post was that Exelby has had more time in the NHL than Valabik and Bogosian, and his numbers are still not that great. Valabik played 50 games in 2008-2009 and 7 in 2007-2008. Bogosian played only 47 games last year and had 19 points- 9 goals and 10 assists. He was +11, but not sure what his GAA was while he was on ice. But, I think it is clear that Valabik and Bogosian have had less experience in the NHL and are clearly better than Exelby. Again, I think the point is that we won’t really see how effective Hainsey is until this season when he will be paired with a better defenceman than Exelby or Valabik. When he is paired with someone more effective, I think that Hainsey will, hopefully, show the fans his true ability. If he does not, well then the critics will be right. Remember again, he was the 10th rated best acquisition in the summer of 2008. Maybe that is not the best predictor as is the point with Brian Campbell (most overrated player that year).
by BTF on Jul 22, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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