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Where Star Level Players Are Found in the NHL Draft

Sportscasters and journalists love to mention star quality players who were drafted very low and yet went on to fame and fortune. The most cited examples that come to mind are Brett Hull, Luc Robitaille, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg. Those are all Hall of Fame level talents who were drafted much later than they should have been. While exceptions or "extreme outliers" are always fascinating, they can cause us to reach some very wrong headed conclusions about how MOST NHL stars are acquired. Today I'm going to ask and answer three simple questions: 1) Where do playoff caliber 1st Pairing Defensemen come from? 2) Where do playoff caliber 1st Line Forwards come from? 3) Where do Playoff Starting Goalies come from? I think the answers might surprise some readers.

I have done some NHL Draft analysis in the past using Game Played. Games played is useful metric but a game played by a 1st line forward or 1st pairing defensemen is far more valuable than a game played by a bottom defenseman or forward. Also weak teams sometimes have weaker players getting 1st line or 1st pairing ice time. To avoid all those problems I will only present data from the 16 NHL teams that qualified for the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs.

I collected the 3 forwards with the most offensive ice team (ES + PP) and the defensemen with the highest average ice time per game (player must have dressed for 41 games for that team during regular season), for goalies I choose to go with the netminder who started the playoffs for their team. I thought about using most regular season games (Clemmenson rather than Brodeur) but I assume the coach puts his best guy in net come playoffs (Varlamov over Theodore, Hiller over Giguere).

DEFENSEMEN

Everyone agrees that a quality NHL team must have a couple of good defensemen. But what is startling is how few of these top pairing defensemen on 2009 playoff teams were taken in the 1st round. In fact, many of the defensemen taken in the 1st round turn out be regular players but not super stars. The 2nd round of the NHL Draft is VERY productive in terms of graduating top pairing defensemen in recent years. More than any other position, quality top pairing defensemen are found past the 1st and 2nd round. Nearly half (43%) of the top pairing defense in the 2009 playoffs came from the 3rd or lower rounds. Lesson: NHL teams are especially poor at forecasting great NHL defensemen, therefore great values may be found in the later rounds. Why is the error rate so enormous for defensemen? 1) 17 year old players are still physically growing and that may matter more for Defense than for Forwards. 2) Perhaps defense can be taught more than offense. 3) Defensive skill is harder to measure--I suspect that if we had a "Goals Prevented" stat, just as we have a "Goals Scored" stat there would be fewer gross errors.

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FORWARDS

Scouts and GMs are MUCH more accurate at forecasting scoring talent. It is true that they all underestimated Luc Robitaille and Pavel Datsyuk, but the chart below illustrates just how rare those big misses tend to be. An impressive 74% of top offensive players on 2009 playoff teams were correctly drafted very high--scouts and GMs tend to nail scoring forwards on Draft day. If the entire NHL is good at assessing elite scoring talent--than a smart team should almost always use their 1st rounder on a skilled forward--because the odds of finding one later are remote.

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GOAL

Ah, goalies! The position famous for unprectictable, quirky, and slightly crazy players. Of the 16 starting netminders in the 2009 playoffs rougly half of them were correctly scouted and forecast as elite players and the other half came from just about any roound in the NHL Draft. Consider this for a moment, 1/4 of the starting goalies in the 2009 playoffs were taken in the 7th round, or rounds that no loner exist (8th and 9th round were eliminated in 2005) or were undrafted free agents! Unlike forwards, where nearly all the great ones go in the first round, many quality net minders can be found (and developed) in later rounds of the draft.

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Conclusion: After looking at where elite playoff caliber NHL players come from, I think we can get an inkling of the optimal drafting stategy. 

  • In the 1st round clubs would be wise to focus on elite scoring forwards and maybe a can't miss goalie.
  • The 2nd round tends to produce many high impact defensemen.
  • The 3rd and later rounds very rarely produce scoring forwards, but many quality netminders, defensemen and checking forwards are available for the taking.  

UPDATE: Check Pension Puppet Plan to see a similar analysis of ALL NHL players (not just star level one).

UPDATE: This post inspired Scott over at Gospel of Hockey to take a look at a bigger slice of data. Click here to read his conclusions.

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I’d be interested to see the same criteria stretched over a decade or so and see how those numbers pan out.

by fatschoonerrat on Jun 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, you want to do it :)

I’m working on assembling a huge dataset that should make this easier down the road.

by The Falconer on Jun 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the historical data is going to back you up. Here’s a slice from something I’m working on-12 draft years, 78% of forwards picked during Rounds 3-6 I classify as 3rd line or below (based on PPG, TOI, and historical depth charts). The bias towards big defensemen has produced many errors in the early rounds (Boris Valabik, anyone?) and I suspect its difficult to scout Euro defensemen (bigger ice, different style of play) since people like A. Markov, Streit, Timmonen keep turning up on very late rounds.

by Big Picture Guy on Jun 22, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One explanation for those older European D men are the fall of the Iron Curtain (in the early 1990s) and the requirement for NHL teams to draft those guys in order to sign them. I can’t remember if those rules have been changed—but some over age Euros are now plain old UFAs (see Brunnstrom, Ville Leino, Annsi Salmela) but there a whole slew of quality over age Euro taken in the past (Havelid, F. Kaberle).

by The Falconer on Jun 22, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are more teams drafting D (and hence getting better D) in the 2nd+ rounds because of the fact that they are drafting forwards in the first? Know what I mean? Is it an importance that teams place on Forwards over Defencemen?

by hydromel on Jun 23, 2009 8:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Most NHL teams claim that they “draft the best player available”—so if that is true they shouldn’t be a big 1st round versus 2nd round gap. But it is very possible that NHL teams might in fact show a bias toward F in the 1st round because it is easier to evaluate scoring compared to defense.

What distribution should we expect in the 1st round? Well in a hockey game 3 our of 6 guys on the ice are F (50%), while 2 out of 6 are D (33%) and 1 out of 6 are G (16%). So if NHL teams really are drafting for skill, I would expect a similar distribution in the 1st round. Let’s take a look at recent first rounds.
Expecting F: 50% D: 33% G:17%
Actual Distribution F 62%, D 30%, G 8% (1999-2009 drafts—I already had this in my spreadsheet form)

So yes, Forwards appear to be favored, but not at the expense of D, but rather Goalies are getting the short end of the stick.
Now let’s compare the breakdown of picks by position, to the breakdown of star players found in the 1st round
1st round NHL Picks by Position F 62%, D 30%, G8% (All 1st round picks 1999-2009)
1st round star players by position: F 74%, D 33%, G 44%

Very interesting. NHL teams appear to be much better at figuring out the potential star quality Forwards are compared to Defensemen on draft day. Even more surprising are the Goalie numbers—goalies are rarely taken in the first round, but a large % of playoff starters were 1st round selections. Goalies tend to either be starters or busts and it looks like in the 1st round NHL scouts are doing a bang up job of identifying likely star quality goalies.

Summary: The evidence still suggests to me that forecasting star quality D is harder than forecasting star quality F or G.

by The Falconer on Jun 23, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is really great work Falconer. Thank you for putting in the time to gather all of the data.

As for drafting goalies, I really don’t think teams do a very good job of evaluating them beyond the very good goalies taken with the top five picks. There are a LOT of busts taken in the first round. I did a study looking at the drafts of 1990-1999. Of the 20 goalies taken in the first round only 10 became starters. Many of the success stories ended up playing on different teams than the ones that drafted them (Luongo, Giguere) or never really became top starters in the league (Kidd, Thibault, Storr, Boucher…). There’s no use drafting a guy so that he can become a marginal starting goalie. Those guys are available as UFA’s every year and tend not to be too expensive. IMO it’s a very bad idea to take a goalie in the first round.

by Scott Reynolds on Jun 23, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just wrote a similar post looking at the NHL league makeup by draft picks and free agents, and team make up versus draft picks.

Even in our charts, it looks like you and I share a mind. If you’re thinking about tacos right now, get out of my head!!! Alternately, stay in my head and perhaps we can work together on number compiling. Let me know.

Have a peak.

Wings fan by birth. Leafs fan by empathetic association.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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