In a (Low) Class by Themselves
Here is a recent post on Illegalcurve written by Drew "I love to bash Southern teams" Mindell about the Thrasher's franchise titled "In a (Low) Class by Themselves". Would love to get some counter opinions from some Thrashers fans.
Part of the article:
Upon coming to the article outlining last night’s riveting contest between the Washington Capitals and the worst franchise in the NHL (WFITNHL), the Atlanta Thrashers, I came upon what passes for comedy in the front office of the aforementioned WFITNHL. Apparently, the Thrashers thought that the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of empty seats that count as “paying customers” in Georgia would find it entertaining to poke fun of Alexander Ovechkin, his broken English, and his propensity to be involved in somewhat cheesy commercials. In typical Ovechkin fashion, he laughed off the lame attempt at humour, and went out and dominated the game pocketing two assists.
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What you need to know about Drew Mindell
Like other Winnipeg Jet fans he feels that no one with a nice climate deserves a team. Sure, Atlanta is having a tough time filling up the stands with a bad team, most American cities would have this problem. If Atlanta’s attendance was great and the team was performing, he’d surely say that we don’t fully appreciate hockey or some other manufactured reason to cope with the fact that his beloved team no longer plays in the NHL. Use your tears as lubricant Drew and satisfy all those other pompous Canadian jerk offs that think they deserve a team more than Atlanta, Carolina, Phoenix, Florida, etc. These large American cities have a lot of corporate money, unless Winnipeg chances its currency to moose testicles, they can’t compete with a massive American city. They may fill up the seats, but that’s only a portion of the business side of things. So Drew will continue to bitch and moan and others like him will perpetually mock our beloved Thrashers, but take solace, that the mocking derives from a bunch of crybabies that will never have a team back in Winnipeg. The NHL may contract and Atlanta, hopefully, can avoid that fate. But Winnipeg will never have a team. Their wet dream will be wasted on a giant collective sock that will just be washed away along with every other Canadian fan who thinks their snow covered piddly town deserves a team because they have an arena and people to fill it. So Thrashers fans, take solace in the fact that you have a one up on these jerk offs because YOU have a team, and THEY don’t and THEY never will and will bash the team in order to fill that void. Drew likes to give Atlanta a little acronym, but I found one for the (NCOOW) jets, that is NOBODY CARES OUTSIDE OF WINNIPEG. A great city like Atlanta can have a hockey team as an afterthought, that’s how great this city is. Drew’s vagina gets extra chaffed when he saw a town like Atlanta lose a team and get it back, something he desperately would like, but will, to his eternal douchiness, fuel his hatred and crybabiness.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 11, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I figured by asking for counter opinions people might discuss the virtue of the Atlanta franchise not rip on Winnipeg. Lots of cities (big and small) lose teams (Atlanta Flames, Winnipeg Jets, Seattle Supersonics, L.A. Rams, Brooklyn Dodgers, Hartford Whalers, Colorado Rockies to name a few).
So if you ignore what Drew said about the Thrashers what would you say if I asked you to focus on what the Atlanta franchise can do to turn things around (both on and off the ice).
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by WpgMikos on Apr 12, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This blog is filled with that
Consensus is that Don Waddell is the albatross on this franchise. Poor decision making up top has brought us to this point and bringing in someone with superior hockey sense will be the first step to turning around the product on the ice. My beef isn’t directed at Winnipegans, just at those that feel that they are more deserved than Atlanta fans. There are plenty of Atlanta fans out there, with a good team on the ice, more economic potential in Atlanta. Some old jet fans are so filled with bitterness that their judgment is clouded and there bias is laid out on blogs, columns, and other publications. It’s about time someone just told them to shut up and swallow the fact that they won’t have a team and to get the fuck over it. Move on and end the whining, it’s just pitiful and tired at this point.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 12, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand your anger in the sense that when they were discussing removing the Jets to Phoenix I felt similarly towards anyone who ripped on Winnipeg. It only makes sense to defend the city you live in. I think Bob is suggesting that it be done with a level of civility.
Do we Winnipeggers (not ans) want an NHL team back? Most do. As do most cities where they previously had an NHL team. I’m sure if you ask folks in Hartford or Quebec they too would strongly push to get their team back.
Personally I’m not a fan of ripping any team out from another city (exception would be Phoenix) as we Winnipegger’s know that feeling all too well. Last year when there was talk of moving Pittsburgh, at first you think, who wouldn’t want Malkin, Crosby and Fleury but at the same time the idea of “taking” a storied franchise from a hockey city didn’t appeal to me. Same goes for talk that the Islanders could relocate to Kansas City.
As I said, I’ve never experienced Southern hockey (with the exception of a Ducks game in 98’) so I wanted a counter argument based on facts from people who experience Thrashers hockey on a regular basis.
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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I know about Drew Mindell...
1.) He signs his name to his words, When he puts his opinion out, he stands behind it. Interesting name, there, Molly — your Mom and Dad give you that?
2.) He doesn’t seem to be fixated on masturbation or other sexual images. You getting help for that there, Molly?
3.)He either doesn’t need to go over his posts and check for grammar and/or spelling errors, or he does use the PREVIEW and does make the necessary “chances” before posting.
So, Molly, any response?
The ball’s in your court.
(See, just for you I included a sports image which could be misconstrued as sexual, but also illustrates the proper use of grammar and punctuation; and, by extension, the use of the PREVIEW and the intellectual exercise of making a pun.)
by Bob Roberts on Apr 12, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bob Roberts breath tastes like Drew Mindell's spunk
Molly Flogger is a reference to a band (heard of any non Jonas Brothers musical group?) and instead of focusing on grammatical errors, maybe you should respond to something I actually said. Or would you rather continue to suck at the teet of some hack hockey columnist? This is a blog, and if you are discounting me just because of a few mishaps then I’ll take your logical fallacy and raise you an unnecessary personal attack and just say “go fuck yourself”.
So he stands by everything he writes, oh how noble! So do a lot of other blowhards, but that shouldn’t be a point of pride. Hell, I stand by that! So give me some props Bob! And then you challenge me with a response? As if to say your retort was so bitter and caustic that it has rendered me utterly speechless. Since you’ve obviously expressed your manlove for that numb nuts, your credibility is going to suffer an uphill battle here on our blog.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 12, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, show everyone you can,...
Using your real name and not someone else’s invention, compose a logical and reasoned commentary which responds to the specifics of Drew’s posting. Attacking the writer instead of his writing usually means the attacker has nothing with which to refute points made. Until you do that, you let his comments stand unchallenged. Of course you can’t erase your first response, but you could perhaps put it down to being a zealous fan speaking from the heart, defending his team.
Bonus points: See if you can do it without using profanity and by using less than five sexual references. You really do have a problem there. Are you male, for example? Profanity and inappropriate sexual references are as bad as responding to uncomfortable viewpoints with violence. They are worse than the last refuge of the incompetent — they fairly shout that you have nothing else to offer.
by Bob Roberts on Apr 12, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second?
“Are you a male, for example?” ……. “they fairly shout that you are”……. it’s obvious that you are trying way too hard here to sound scholarly, so obvious in fact, that most would assume the opposite is true. You are obsessed with these “sexual references” since there was 1, I believe your overdramatic response is evidence to your shelteredness or sexual repression. My first response was an attempt to diagnose the origins of Drew’s hatemongering, which I think I nailed. This whole thread was some shamelss illegalcurve.com self promotion, so I had to put one of their “columnists” in the spotlight for my fellow thrasher bloggers. I see that he’s changed his profile since my rant, not saying he did as a result, but he’s removed the Winnipeg and bitter references. Anaheim is not the South either, it’s a completely different animal. This blog is filled with reasons why fans aren’t turning up or how hockey is a tougher sell in the South, all have been belabored to a point that bringing it up here would purely be for the amusement of a few people who will never understand the dynamic of the Southern fan. You are more than happy to check out prior blog postings here, as this is a constant ongoing discussion amongst the true diehard Thrasher fans. It can be boiled down to a simple theme, if the team succeeds and can have a sustained contender than the franchise will succeed in Atlanta. The team has never been very good, and it is very hard to win over a fickle fan base that has so many entertainment options on a nightly basis. There is a mix of hardcore hockey fans and casual hockey fans and the broadcasts have not figured out whom to cater to, so watching the games on tv can often be brutal. Last season during the playoff run, you could witness the potential hockey has in Atlanta. A lot of transplants have adopted the Thrashers and embraced the team, but they’ll always wear there red wing jerseys or bruins jerseys when their old love is in town UNTIL the thrashers can put together a sustained playoff contender. This was no mystery to ownership and management from the get-go and to insult and harass Atlanta fans is unacceptable and unfair. Carolina has been a great model to southern success in hockey, they aren’t perfect and need to continually improve the franchise, but their fanbase is rabid. 89% attendance (16,500 fans a night) isn’t fantastic, but that is a small market and they have put a good product on the ice for many years. Carolina had upwards of 30% ticket revenue growth going into the 07-08 year and contine to grow their fan base. The thrashers ceiling is much higher than Carolina’s, there is so much more economic potential in Atlanta. So direct the blame and frustration at the franchise’s failures at ownership and management, because they’ve turned it into a hot mess. Not the fans. The insinuation that Atlanta is LOW class is a cheap shot. Drew says they should be more focused on putting a quality team on the ice rather than poking fun at Alexander Ovechkin. Hmmm, yes, marketing department, in charge of creating the video, you should put your cameras and film degrees away and get to signing Kovalchuk to an extension! Mindell previously states that “god willing” they will be in Winnipeg soon. Well, guess what Mindell, I hope you choke on your dinner tonight thinking that with all the awfulness associated with the Thrasher franchise, that it’s still looked upon as a better longterm option than ol’ Winnepeg. You’ll never have a team and I hope you stew in your anger and get a hate boner at every empty seat you see in Phillips Arena next year. Because you weren’t in the crowd when Heatley made his return to Atlanta or during our playoff push to see what this team and these fans could be. The fanbase here isn’t non-existant, they are frustrated, and really, the only thing non-existant is your dream of a team returning to Winnipeg. They’ve failed to cultivate the casual fan base in Atlanta, but it exists and only a good team will bring them out. The potential is there and it wouldn’t take long to erase all the bad years in the minds of these fans. Feel free to browse our blog history and read in on the many discussions related to the direction and failures of our franchise.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said last season's playoff run, should read 06-07
obviously not the year we traded Hossa for half of the Penguins scraps, as forgettable as last year was.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me tell you that Hossa needed to be re-signed at any cost. When he was with the Sens I always thought he was a top player but was complimented by Alfredson. Having seen him live at a number of Red Wings games this year, let me tell you the guy is worth every penny he costs. He’s a beast.
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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
but then again, so would everyone. I didn’t like what we got in return because Waddell wanted NHL ready players, so we get guys like Christensen and Armstrong, who were overvalued and don’t fit into our longterm plans. Esposito is a wild card, but the best prospective talent we got out of that deal. Waddell could have got players that would be ready to step up and be big contributors next year and some top picks to boot, but instead, Waddell wanted to be just competitive enough for us to not finish last and get a top pick in the draft last year and this year. He is murdering this franchise. The Tkachuk and Zhitnik deals also helped to keep us mired in the bottom of the standings for the duration. Getting rid of DW is the only way to turn the ship around.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya its time for the franchise to re-build from the ground up starting with getting some decent draft picks into the minors. Who is the Thrashers minor league affiliate?
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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our AHL team is the Chicago Wolves, ECHL Gwinnett Gladiators
Wolves won it last year, have good minor league players, but no one that has or is projected to have much success in the NHL. The Darren Haydars of the AHL world may have been great, but not what the Thrashers really need long term. They are getting younger, however, and there may be a diamond in the rough in Chicago. Kulda has a lot of potential, a young defensemen in Chicago, you’ll see a lot of discussion of him on this blog. A few forwards that may or may not be 3rd/4th line material fill the rest of that roster. This upcoming draft will be interesting, our young defenders are still a year or two away from being a solid D core, but I think Hedman would be the only D man I would want us drafting (I prefer Tavares). We have many holes, but we are hoping that our 10.7% chance comes thru and we land that top pick. Tavares or Hedman would ease my anxiety about the next few years.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I know of the AHL the Wolves have been a dominant team for the last few years. Its too bad they haven’t been able to benefit the Thrashers. I see how much having the Manitoba Moose has helped the Canucks.
Well one bright spot (aside from Ilya Kovalchuk) is that your goaltenders are solid. Kari Lehtonen (if you can get him signed to a long term contract) is really good and I think Johan Hedberg (a product of the Moose system) is a solid #2.
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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree halfway there
Kari had an excellent run the second half of the year even with an extremely porous defense in front of him. The Southern conference style of run and gun hockey isn’t going to net any Brodeur like numbers, but Kari was solid. Hedberg is a liability and was once a good backup, this year though, he looked outmatched and hopefully has played his last game in net for us. Pavelec is a young guy we were hoping may step up this year, but flashes of brilliance was all he had to offer, no consistancy, and his lack of development makes locking Kari up longterm one of our top priorities.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*consistency
have to make Bob happy, otherwise my post and the ideas behind it can be immediately rejected.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will take your word on it as the last time I watched Hedberg play was perhaps for Dallas in 2005/06.
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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make some good points in your last entry...
Points that would have been more effective in your first one.
I won’t ask again what your name is since I’ve asked more than once and it is a simple question to answer, but clearly one you wish to avoid. I just wonder why you chose a pseudonym of female gender; and why a pseudonym at all.
Two clarifications:
It’s “…they fairly shout that you HAVE…” not “…they fairly shout that you ARE…”. That’s not a grammatical error, it’s an error of fact. When quoting, quote accurately.
Also: (1) “spunk”, (2) “suck at the teet [sic]”, (3) “go fuck yourself”, (4) “manlove”, (5) “numbnuts”.
So, more than “1”? (By the way, it’s “teat”, not “teet”. That’s spelling, not grammar. There are numerous online dictionaries available.)
Last thing: more than once you refer to “our blog”. Do you mean “Bird Watchers Anonymous”? If you do, where are the responses from anyone (other than the one who posted it) to Drew’s comments, or mine, come to that? More importantly, is “our blog” the one to which you’ve belonged for a grand total of 14 days?
Goodbye MF (not a sexual reference, just an abbreviation). May you and your Thrashers do well.
Bob Roberts
by Bob Roberts on Apr 13, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is typical blog tough guy
Who cares about a real name? This is a blog! This is just for online discussion, if this was any more than that I would see your point, but frankly, you look like a creepster by continually asking. There is no ownership or overwhelming sense of pride here, I’ll leave that to you Bob, since you approach a blog like it’s a daily newspaper.
SPUNK tasting is a sexual reference, teat (my greatest apologies) sucking isn’t a sexual reference, go fuck yourself is an insult removed from the innately sexual reference, manlove is not sexual, numbnuts is not sexual. So way to strike out there. You just look petty and amateur.
I spent 2 seconds on the illegalcurve blog, saw someone actually predicted the Senators to win the East and that’s all I need to know about that site. The thrasher fans over here are pretty worn and tired by another dissappointing season and after another year of discussion (most of which answers Drew’s assertion) about how to dig this franchise out of it’s doldrums, they don’t need to be reminded of how much they suck by some two bit hack hockey columnist that confuses the marketing department with people making personnell decsions. That “article”, which was really just another biased rip on the Thrasher franchise and their fans, didn’t even deserve a response from yours truly, but I humored you and told you what most of us really think about the hatemongerers out there.
Bob Roberts came over here apparently to express his distaste in my grammar and aggressive tone, but like every bit of what I’ve heard from “your” sides it’s all a bunch of hot air. There are no merits which you speak of or insightful criticism, just another bunch of taunting. The article points to a comment from Ovechkin, but a short time ago, Washington didn’t have a packed arena or were full of emotion when they finishing 15-20 points out of the playoff picture with a week left to play. So the real question is why are you, wpgMikos, treating Drew Mindell’s article like it’s an actual piece of journalism or an intelligent argument against the longterm strategy of having a hockey team in Atlanta, rather than what it really is, just a bunch of opinionated drivel that bashes the organization and this fans.
After a depressing season, the last thing we need is to deal with this shit. I’m sure Bob Roberts will point out a comma splice and not actually contribute to the conversation any further. I just don’t see why THIS post was suppose to be the crowning argument that all thrasher fans must respond to in order to defend their honor and their team. At least wait til we get some hope and optimism brewing a few months from now that next year will actually be better before you come on here and try to tear us down. Then you may find a more passionate response.
-Zachary D. Morgan (happy?) I don’t see how this somehow validates my post, but if it gives Bob a small sense of victory then I’m in.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just one quick point. I never said it was a news article, merely a post of Drew’s opinion.
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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the insinuation that his opinion was some definitive factual assault on our franchise
Instead of the obvious (and if you re-read your original post you may ultimately agree with me) fact that it was just a cheapshot from a bitter fan of a dead franchise.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the smugness and disingenious tone of you and Bob Roberts
who is declaring victory over on illegalcurve for something apparently that he has said? I’ve yet to see anything to even warrant a counter argument in regards to his additions to this blog. The argument that when the team has played well the fans pack the house and the franchise realizes it’s potential fiscally and begins to build the prestige that would equal long term success. Since Atlanta has already shown glimpses of this (when given the opportunity), they should not be targeted or asked to defend the existence of their beloved team. It’s simple, winning hockey is a popular product and certainly makes it a more profitable one, and since those economic ceilings are much higher than many areas you’d all like to have a hockey team, then having hockey in Atlanta makes more economic sense in the NHL’s long term goals of cultivating larger #‘s of hockey fans. Even a passive hockey fan base in a city like Atlanta can dwarf even the most passionate fan base in a small or moderately sized Canadian city. The fans don’t trust Don Waddell and the management and show their frustrations at the gate. So come on Bob, I’d like to know what you are so proud and smug aboot (that spelling was on purpose). Because other than spelling/grammar you have been pretty worthless in this discussion.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only observation to your point would be that the descriptions of the fans make them seem fair weather. When the team is playing well, they support the team, but when the team isn’t they don’t. Is that the case? Believe me I understand what it’s like to support a team that’s playing poorly (I did follow the Jets for years) but I’m sure there are many cases where bad teams get good support from the fans.
And don’t think I am singling Atlanta out. Look at New Jersey. They have a contending team year after year and tons of empty seats at every game.
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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All it will take is a few years of
success in a row. Not years of futility and one shining moment followed by getting bounced out of the playoffs in 4 games. After a few years of success we can push most of the casual fanbase into a loyal one. Then a few bad years in a row can then be absorbed. But these casual fans have not had much to cheer about. If you watched the game (or was there) when Dany Heatley made his return to Atlanta, you’d see right there a fan base with potential. The earth shattering boos that rang through Phillips arena each second Heatley hit the ice was a reminder that this town and these fans have pride and can be as rabid and passionate as any. They need something to get passionate about though, and we haven’t got much to be honest. The key is to reverse this losing culture and perception that the Thrashers are a doomed franchise, because people like Drew Mindell and others constantly put it down and reverse the culture into a place that high priced free agents want to come to. Atlanta is a great place to live, great weather, great golf, a good home for any multi-millionaire for sure, we just have to try muffle the negativity from outside, chase Waddell out of town, replace him with a cracker jack GM and this franchise can make an Atlanta Falcons like turnaround. If you follow football, the Falcons were at a lower low than the Thrashers have ever been. They grabbed a gamechanger in Matt Ryan and replaced the coach/GM and went from garbage to playoff team and one of the upstart teams in the NFL. This happened in one year and the fans in Atlanta flooded in. This is football country, but more importantly, this town will support something they are proud of. There is a ton of people and a ton of money here to make it a more viable option than many other cities that couldn’t absorb the type of futility that Atlanta has had to suffer over the years.
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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TSN is predicting that the Thrashers with the 4th pick will draft Evander Kane. Thoughts?
Also what have the crowds been like?
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by WpgMikos on Apr 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob said “i’m going good cop” which is in fact astute as I think that I have been pretty civil during this discourse. I’ve asked questions throughout. And I have admited that I know very little about the Thrashers franchise or hockey in the South (as can be seen by me lumping Anaheim in as part of the South).
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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not quite sure I should have to defend my team or my being a fan of a team to a guy just trying to increase traffic.
by califone on Apr 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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