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Mathieu Schneider Dealt to Montreal

Thrasher defensemen Mathieu Schneider has been dealt for a 2nd and 3rd round pick to Montreal. My quick and dirty take on this is that Waddell got a fair return on his investment. You can look at this deal two ways: 1) how much impact did Schneider have on the on-ice performance of the Thrashers? 2) How much impact will Schneider have on the future play of the Thrashers?

Talent/Development Angle

When Schneider was acquired during NHL Training Camp I had hoped that he would do three things for the Thrashers: a) improve the Thrashers power play and ability to break out from their own zone; b) help mentor 18 year old uber prospect Zach Bogosian; c) earn a 1st round draft pick at the deadline if the Thrashers were out of the playoff hunt--well two out of three ain't bad.

During the 2008-09 season Schneider certainly did well at mentoring Bogosian and he certainly helped the Thrashers breakout. His contribution on the power play was much less than I had expected. His points where down sharply despite receiving extensive PP ice time.

In years past the Thrashers power play became predictable and ineffective when other players waited around for Kovalchuk to fire his slapshot. Schneider was certainly not afraid to take open shots which was a welcome change. Unfortunately, Schneider's shot was accurate but not swift enough to beat many goalies. With a Tomas Holmstrom type screening the goalie Schneider would have been much more effective in Atlanta, but the Thrashers lack a consistent goalie screener.

Overall Schneider had a rough start in October. He looked like a guy who missed training camp and was playing for a new team. Many Thrasher fans let the first month color their opinion of him for the full season, but in fact if you look at things like Corsi numbers and Zone Shift, Mathieu Schneider helped the Thrashers move the puck out of their own end and he helped apply pressure to the opposition net minder.

Personally I think he helped the team on the ice, but not as much as I expected. If he had been more productive in terms of scoring he likely would have brought a 1st rounder instead of a 2nd rounder.

Cost/Benefit Analysis

Schneider's cap hit was rather large at $5.7 million which scared off many teams. The Thrashers will not have to cover approximately $1.7 million of that cap hit now. When you consider that Klee and Larsen combined had a cap hit of nearly $2 million the Thrashers ended up renting Schneider for just over an additional $2 million (plus they got Larsen off the roster). 

So the marginal cost of an additional $2 million they upgraded from Klee to Schneider (and I say that as someone who liked Ken Klee when he was here). The team gained a mentor for Bogosian's rookie year and then they received a 2nd and 3rd round draft picks.

Adding Schneider was a good move and trading Schneider will also help this organization build long term asests. It would have been nice to get an additional 1st rounder, but many NHL players come out of the 2nd round. Overall the Schneider sojourn in Atlanta was a net plus for the organization.

 

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Isn’t it a 2nd round draft pick in June of 2009, and a 3rd round pick in the 2010 draft? If that’s true, I think it’s an ok trade, but not a good or great trade. Maybe things would have turned out better closer to March 4th, but things also could have gone south in a hurry with an injury.

by SilverRubicon on Feb 16, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

And the Canadiens get a 2nd round conditional pick from the Thrashers. Still, this is an “ok” trade at best.

by SilverRubicon on Feb 16, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as the Thrashers get a 2nd rounder I consider it a good trade. Anything else is just gravy.

by The Falconer on Feb 16, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The conditional pick the Thrashers have to give up is only a third to fifth rounder.

by James Mirtle on Feb 16, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more. Adding him to the team was a good idea, for all the reasons you state here (the intangible one of him mentoring Bogosian perhaps being the most important) and the trade should bring us some good stuff for the future. A pretty good move overall, I’d say.

by MortimerPeacock on Feb 16, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

many NHL players come out of the 2nd round

Except when Don Waddell is doing the drafting:Chad Denny,Andrew Kozek,Luke Sellars,Grant Lewis,Ilja Nikulin, and the immortal Libor Ustrnul. Ok, to be fair, Pavelec and Holzapfel were second rounders and they both have a shot but its not an impressive list.

by Big Picture Guy on Feb 16, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions  

By all accounts Nikulin is capable of playing in the NHL, he just doesn’t want to come over or the money isn’t right.. I still hold out hope for Grant Lewis.

by The Falconer on Feb 16, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It might be a little different in the upcoming off-season, because now Nikulin isn’t a RFA entering the league?

by Lindros on Feb 18, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know. The NHL might extend the Thrashers rights yet again due to the lack of a transfer agreement with the Russian hockey federation.

by The Falconer on Feb 19, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Sad, but knew it was coming

I wish we could keep Schneider or have traded him to a team where we could get more. I was dreaming, but hoping we could get one of NJ goalies. Maybe at the deadline or over the summer. Schneider definitely helped the powerplay, and for the first time, I saw a powerplay set up in a circle with a gameplan. I saw it at the home opener vs. Washington. I was excited to see that Schneider was having an immediate effect. I agree that his point production was higher in previous years, but the fact that we had Schneider and Hainsey leading the powerplay was a nice change when we haven’t had Havelid, Enstrom, or any other defenseman leading it.
          Mentoring Bogosian was another need I saw fulfilled. If Bogosian was able to play more and had not been injured, it would be scary to see how much better Bogosian would be now. But, I think that Bogosian is starting to come into his own. He now has 3 goals and 5 assists. He had 3 assists last night, and before that I remember he scored goals in 2 or 3 straight games and then went dead or didn’t play. Anyhow, I think that Bogosian is only going to get better.
         I am concerned though about the void he leaves for his role; I guess Hainsey will now lead the powerplay in his place, and then Anderson is going to start Oystrick and or play around with the roster to see who will fit with Bogosian best on that defensive pairing.
         Since the Thrashers are under the cap, we are going to have to get above the floor quickly and get another player. I wonder who DW is going to go after. I hope it is a defenseman or a center. I know they are going to have to move fast.

by BigThrashFan on Feb 17, 2009 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

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