Hey, hockey players: not knowing doesn't change the reality that there are gay men in the professional ranks today. And maybe it's not many, because we've driven so many away; players who didn't want to be teased, shunned, and worse, a target for on-ice violence. Who knows how many great players hung up their skates in favor of some lesser talent, strictly to find acceptance and peace of mind.
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at least patrik stefan now has peace of mind and is probably in a better place.
by dennylambert!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And that’s my guilty laugh of the day. Thank you.
by DungeonK on Nov 3, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what a fab goal
i could care less if it’s Liberace on ice as long as he puts up numbers. i think most people feel the same way.
by dennylambert!! on Nov 3, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
True
I don’t care if he wears one of those pink jerseys as long as he puts the puck in the net or stops it if he’s a goalie. I’d like to think that most people, be it players or fans would be more accepting of the possibility of gay athletes in this day and age.
by ou812jay8 on Nov 3, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Survey data shows that younger people are much more tolerant on this point than older people. Public attitudes have been shifting on this. Who will be the first person to go public?
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by The Falconer on Nov 4, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiosity...
Why is everyone so convinced Sean Avery is gay? Is it because he wears quality clothes?
P.S. I’ve learned a lot from this comment thread. Specifically: gay = Liberace = pink jerseys.
by MortimerPeacock on Nov 4, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I once knew a puck bunny in DC who would claim that any Caps player who turned her down was “gay”, I didn’t have the heart to tell her that maybe they just had taste.
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by The Falconer on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you didnt know Liberace was gay before this??? you have a lot to learn.
by dennylambert!! on Nov 4, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A fine way to miss the point.
by MortimerPeacock on Nov 4, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We get it, you’re above stereotypes, good for you.
by Andy FF on Nov 4, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to being above the silly, frilly, Liberace-esque gays with their pink jerseys?
by MortimerPeacock on Nov 4, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
referencing the fact that i wouldnt care if a player was an openly gay and flamboyant person, which Liberace was proud of being at a time when very few were, is not a stereotype or offensive. youre way too sensitive, and need to unravel your wad of panties a bit.
by dennylambert!! on Nov 4, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s partly because he’s such an ass that everybody hates him except Rangers fans. I also think it may be because I’ve yet to read anything about what he supposedly says to opposing players. All I’ve ever read is how he supposedly made some kind of mean spirited cancer related remark but that got debunked and how various players have said “You would not believe what Avery says on the ice” but nobody will talk about it. I have long suspected he makes a lot of comments about opposing players’ sexuality and such. While Avery has a history of dating hot women, we all know that some of the most openly anti-gay people are actually gay themselves, so I think that may be playing a role in such comments.
by Zontar on Nov 4, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn’t even mention his fashion industry summer job!
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by The Falconer on Nov 4, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, lemme get this straight:
1. He’s gay because he’s an ass and everybody hates him.
2. You don’t know what he says to opposing players.
3. But you do sort of know.
4. You just KNOW, somehow, that he calls players fags.
5. We all know anti-gay people might be gay themselves, and Avery has to be gay, because he’s an ass, and therefore he makes fun of gay people, because he’s a fag and you hate him.
by MortimerPeacock on Nov 4, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are an idiot. I did NOT say that I personally thought he was gay. I provided an explanation as to why others might think so, but personally I doubt it. I never called him a “fag” nor did I say I hate him. Wow. What a helpful response here. So glad you’re part of the discussion.
Let me be perfectly clear – YOU are DEFINITELY an idiot, MortimerPeacock.
by Zontar on Nov 4, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I think I’m following your argument a bit better now. In my confusion I didn’t see that what you really meant was “Sean Avery = gay because he’s an awful human, and awful humans = gay BUT I DON’T LIKE BEING CHALLENGED BECAUSE SHUT UP THAT’S WHY.”
Very subtle.
by MortimerPeacock on Nov 4, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that the “Sean Avery is gay” comment was just a light-hearted jab at what is widely considered to be the biggest douchebag in the sport. Your posts seem like you’re just looking for something to be offended by or that you’re trolling for an argument. Was in immature and in bad taste? Sure? Does it seem like you are over-reacting? Yep.
Way to bring the derogetory “f” term into the conversation though. Stay classy peacock.
by Pfloyd75 on Nov 4, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Way to bring the derogetory "f" term into the conversation though. Stay classy peacock.
Can you suggest a more elegant and classy way to bring the word “fag” into the discussion?
by MortimerPeacock on Nov 4, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is your (co-your?) blog, after all, Tim. I shan’t say it if you don’t want it.
As for the Pink Floyd fan, I merely wonder if you could ask yourself why you get so incensed at polemical use of that word. It doesn’t seem out of bounds (to me) to use it in an ironic way to attack the attitudes of homophobes (try the essays of Gore Vidal, good fun).
My lips are sealed.
by MortimerPeacock on Nov 4, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get incensed over things I read on the interwebz. I just find the use of the word to be juvenile at best and thus it’s usefulness in a rational conversation is somewhat limited.
by Pfloyd75 on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t bother me, but as a word with a potential to offend, it must be used carefully. I think nothing of calling certain friends of mine “art-fags,” but they’re my friends and it is not done in a derogatory manner.
Whenever we do anything with the potential to offend, it’s important to know your audience. On the internet, though, that is far more difficult.
Anyway, I’m not about to start deleting posts or anything like that, I just figured it was better to jump in and pump the brakes before it got out of hand.
by timmyf on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What’s funny is the white-knight defenders like Peacock are about as equally obnoxious as the people who get worked up over gay athletes.
by Andy FF on Nov 4, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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