How Important are Playoff Wins?
Yesterday I posted about whether fans are drawn in by superstars or playoff wins. Today, I have some data on this topic (and update on an old blog post going back to 2007). Two years ago, I sat down and totaled up every playoff win and every playoff series won by a NHL city. (For example, I combined the records of the Minnesota North Stars and Minnesota Wild and the Atlanta Flames and Thrashers.) I have updated those totals through the 2009 playoffs.
My hunch is that the best "hockey markets" are often markets that have witnessed the most post-season success. For example, I suspect that people and Edmonton and Calgary both like hockey, but my impression is that the Oilers fans are much more intense than Flames fans because they have won 4 more Stanley Cups.
I sliced up the data a number of different ways: Average Playoff Wins per season since expansion, Total Playoff Series Won since expansion and Average Playoff Series Won since expansion. Let's take a stroll through the data.
Average Playoff Wins per Season, 1968-2009
Markets with most post-season success
5.51 MON (10 Stanley Cups)
5.22 COL (2 Stanley Cups) (Rockies and Avalanche)
5.07 EDM (5 Stanley Cups)
5.00 DAL (1 Stanley Cup)
4.65 NJD (3 Stanley Cups)
4.55 PHI (2 Stanley Cups)
4.15 BOS (2 Stanley Cups)
4.07 DET (4 Stanley Cups)
4.07 CHI
3.73 CAR (1 Stanley Cup)
3.53 ANA (1 Stanley Cup)
3.51 PIT (3 Stanley Cups)
Markets with some post-season success
3.37 STL
3.36 NYI (4 Stanley Cups)
3.34 NYR (1 Stanley Cup)
3.21 CGY (1 Stanley Cup)
3.19 OTT
2.95 BUF
2.68 TOR
2.68 MIN (North Stars and Wild)
2.38 SJS/OAK (Seals and Sharks)
2.32 WAS
Markets with the least post-season success
2.03 VAN
1.94 QUE
1.63 TBL (1 Stanley Cup)
1.54 LAK
1.00 WIN
0.87 FLA
0.83 PHX
0.95 HAR
0.60 NAS
0.12 ATL (Flames and Thrashers)
0.00 CBJ
0.00 KC
0.00 CLE
Another way to look at this is to count the number of playoff series won. The Blues and Blackhawks have the unfortunate distinction of winning the most post-season series since 1968 without winning the Stanley Cup. One interesting question is this: If you are a hockey fan which would your rather have--the St. Louis Blues history of consistent regular season success, but post-season frustration; or the Tampa/Carolina pattern of modest regular season success, but a Stanley Cup to celebrate?
Playoff Series Won Since 1968 (* Won Cup since 1968)
(Note: I did not count the short wild-card round used during 1975-79. *symbol for Cup winners)
49 Montreal *
35 Philadelphia *
34 Detroit *
33 Edmonton *
33 Boston *
27 NY Islanders *
27 Chicago
26 NY Rangers *
25 Pittsburgh *
23 St. Louis
22 NJ Devils *
20 Buffalo
19 Minnesota
19 Colorado *
15 Calgary *
14 Toronto
14 Dallas *
12 Vancouver
12 San Jose/Oakland
11 Washington
11 Anaheim *
09 Los Angeles
09 Carolina *
08 Ottawa
06 Quebec
05 Tampa *
03 Florida
02 Winnipeg
01 Hartford
00 Nashville
00 Phoenix
00 Atlanta
00 Columbus
00 Kansas City
00 Cleveland
Of course just counting playoff series wins can be somewhat deceptive since some teams have been around for the full 40 years since 1967-1968 season while other less than 10 years. So I divided the number of playoff series wins by the number of years the NHL has been in that market.
I found it a bit surprising to see Anaheim and Carolina ranked so high but a couple of long playoff runs in their short histories pushed them up the rankings. On the other hand, some teams have been around decades but they have given their local fans very little to cheer about in the spring (Kings, Canucks and Capitals).
Average Number of Playoff Series won per year.
1.20 Montreal
1.10 Edmonton
1.06 Denver
0.85 NJ Devils
0.93 Dallas
0.85 Philadelphia
0.83 Detroit
0.82 Carolina
0.80 Boston
0.75 NY Islanders
0.73 Anaheim
Markets with medium playoff series wins per year
0.66 Chicago
0.63 NY Rangers
0.61 Pittsburgh
0.56 St. Louis
0.56 Minnesota
0.54 Calgary
0.53 Buffalo
0.50 Ottawa
0.46 San Jose/Oakland
Markets with the least playoff series wins per year
0.35 Quebec
0.34 Toronto
0.32 Vancouver
0.32 Washington
0.31 Tampa
0.22 Los Angeles
0.20 Florida
0.11 Winnipeg
0.05 Hartford
0.00 Atlanta
0.00 Phoenix
0.00 Nashville
0.00 Columbus
0.00 Kansas City
0.00 Cleveland
Finally we have the lone last list. Most NHL seasons without a series win. Unfortunately, Atlanta is now just three years away from being number one on this list.
Longest Playoff Series Win Drought 1968-2009
20 years Detroit 1967-1987
18 Pittsburgh 1971-1988
17 Atlanta (Flames 1973-1980 and Thrashers 2000-09)
14 Calgary 1990-2003
15 Islanders 1994-2009
12 Kings 1970-1981
12 Phoenix 1997-2009
12 Florida 1997-2009
Conclusion: I can't help but notice that correlation between on ice success and strong hockey markets. Other than Toronto, markets that struggle in the post-season tend to struggle at the box office and vice versa.
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And Toronto really only became the sort of ridiculous juggernaut that it is now (a global brand as opposed to a local team that sold out every game) on the back of the ’93, ’94, ’99, and ’02 Conference Final Appearances
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by PPP on Nov 24, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This underscores what I see as a real problem in our sports culture – the focus on the championship being the only worthwhile goal, and that nothing else can be celebrated short of that.
It’s an attitude that has ruined the college football bowl system, and in hockey, has resulted in people sneering at serious accomplishments like the Presidents Trophy, regular season Division Titles, and Conference playoff championships. It speaks to a mindset that doesn’t really appreciate the sport, but is only after chasing a bandwagon and riding the coattails of others’ success.
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by Dirk Hoag on Nov 24, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately they’re linked though. Do the poor hockey markets also have greater challenges in winning playoff games and titles? Do they spend less? Do they have weaker ownership and management and less resources?
It’s all tied together.
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by James Mirtle on Nov 24, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would expect that ownership + management = better quality hockey club.
But if we were to compare two franchises with roughly similar regular seasons, but unequal post-season success, there I would expect that fan loyalty, attachment and passion would be significantly higher for the club with playoff glory.
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by The Falconer on Nov 24, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk Hoag – Well said! I couldn’t agree with you more. While I certainly would enjoy watching my team win it all, it is the quality of the competition and the beauty of the sport (and sports) that draw me in as a fan. How ridiculous it would be if we didn’t support our team unless they won it all. Can we not aggrandize the runner who loses by .01 second, or the soccer team that loses by penalty kicks, or the hockey team that loses the Cup in triple overtime/7games. When I hear the tirade for a playoff system in college football, my reply is always “Why?” What’s wrong with 2 winners, or 3, or 4, or…….
by JLH on Nov 25, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
St. Louis and Chicago...
… have the markets to sustain teams without a Cup. All they ask for is a modicum of regular season success. If the teams flail about during the season, people stay away, as was the case with both of them during their playoff-less seasons. If you put on an exciting on-ice product, people will show up… the Cup just makes it better.
Tampa Bay has a Cup, but some truly terrible years before and after then. Not only did they not make the playoffs, they also bottomed out in the Division (and league in a few). That’s why attendance there has been an issue – if they win the Cup this year, attendance will be up next season, but if – as the season progresses – the team flounders and starts to fall towards the basement of the standings again, attendance will drop. I’m going with Dirk – too much emphasis on the playoffs and the Cup, not enough on the regular season. After all, the playoffs last 2 and a half months, the regular season lasts seven.
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by hildymac on Nov 25, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff Falconer. I think it’s a pretty compelling argument. I grew up in Edmonton and vaguely remember some of the glory but strongly remember the terrible teams of the early 90s when the team couldn’t make it to an average attendance of 15,000 per game.
Superstars can help juice attendance numbers short-term, but if the team doesn’t win the numbers often fall off. A good example of this is Washington who had been struggling attendance-wise. They brought in Jagr and saw almost 1,000 extra fans per game in his first year. But the team was poor and in each of Jagr’s next two seasons attendance dropped.
by Scott Reynolds on Nov 27, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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